so i just want to introduce you your new board the boards transition
transition the couple of weeks ago but really there's an in person meeting all day
board meeting wanna quite before products are and the new and the old fort meade
and so really coming out of water "'cause" one then you board takes over
so we're going by alphabetical in the middle sort of photographing you has you watch
him
is a manual a busty known for
clutter
among other things
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who is known
we're accessibility i
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there are her favourite colour you stevie deep purple
alphabetical last and
coming so
last same alphabetical order
i should have
yes i should mention that a many well a is us secretary of the organisation
again and then joanie is now vice president
alright
need to the for this year and taking on the very sought after position of
tries or
is it katerina
for a similar
okay
hua we contribute in many ways including documentation and
her hacker chickens
on the end is toby miller
who is this so it's a little cut off but is the superhero this would
interest you friends appeal recently and does tons of work with the membership many
and
we have are returning to the board and serving another year as president andreas nielsen
have you noticed that he really likes birds
new the more this year we have a long time contributor tick you know so
your am wrong krishna
i'll say no more
i
and also need this year to the board is marinas ratings guy who is known
for bringing a lot of austin you contributors signal
did somebody want this more
do you just want to keep seeing this
i was wondering how like for singing on the look that was this is a
it wanna be a little higher it's and i wanna stay at thank you it's
you see floppy and processor and also some we can so he's not here so
you gets parentheses for having served that you know in the past year or years
it's a it actually is a lot of work to be a board member and
i think i when you see them you should thank them
so i have a couple questions but let's just opened things up right away
go ahead and ask we dare you
what's with the total up to talk
who i remembered we decided that it should be the port bites back
no
that was not my suggestion i think actually was talents
more interesting in curing a i think it's inspire you to get the board to
pay back
can everybody hear that word where you know people talk without my
okay
it will be better
do we do we have another mike that's running or okay
so
so you guys have less like and i'll stand here we can all share so
who
well so that's a question
good morning the sue be in particular the full lost three uses so we are
the be all the saw still running slowly over jean the awards what else board
on you most you
to should course about that much
from the more from the marketing
okay you don't want me to answer that question because an on the marketing team
and i'm known for not being a marketing person
no i i'm
that that's why somebody on the market seen should actually and on the board should
actually answer the question
you know one meta
okay
okay so the question is what is a board for the past three years
the last year
you
okay well i can tell you well you know as i said in my talk
sorry
there when we attend anyway
i am so
for the last year i personally has had to do lot of the outreach within
can so lot of it is so as when
so it started from three point O on words
so let me let me step back when we did three point
we didn't have any average for
there was nothing
we had no infrastructure are anything like that to sort of
soften the shock right and
one of the things we've done is actually create that infrastructure so we had we
had a number things we did one I R C name space on free knows
consolidate underground so can is a that name space was
is under our control right so we can control the message and control the channels
are creators and reports like i hate you know more something like that
second we created the google plus pages that the facebook pages and be assigned people
to monitor them weekly community pages we had also
we have also created forums
so basically we created a presence the google plus especially has been pretty good because
when we first started there were no developers or anything like that so now what
we had is are these and google plus we have developers engage with users and
ask at answering questions people like florian have actually even written code that pose posing
on their answering people so
we we've gotten to the state where
defending gonna has become a lot easier in and
if you if you look on read it or anything like that when it when
it grown thread is there a usually used to be me a couple other people
subtitles all the bidders would jump at especially an L the view and we would
we will engage but now we have users coming up saying i don't know what
you guys talk about i like and very
so
that i is changing in terms of what people think of us we still have
a lot to do it's always a continual process
to making
converse with our with our users right so
so that's so i would say are situations improved a lot a and we have
infrastructure now to really
engage in our users especially with insect that forces when they don't terminal
thing came out i think we have about fairly well we post on google plus
we went be engaged in our read it where it happened it except that so
we it's been
it's been we were able to contain
when something happens
i would say i'm not on the fourth but i can see a lot of
the board actually over the last year the board was
was very proactive about assigning resources to help support marketing team which is helped a
lot the marketing team was able to have a how fast which helps you know
sort of distill some of the messaging that we want to get across from you
know and also is sort of helping with you know the resources and infrastructure to
encourage regular meetings of the marketing meeting the marketing many needs every other week by
phone and that really helps us be able to respond to some of us of
the P R issues so there's a lot of that there's also the foundation supports
travel for people to go to you don't to conferences which helps a lot and
also pacer might time which you know is also very helpful in some ways for
handling here and also as i was saying at the at the A G M
having are you know having our campaigns be ideological of that is different the campaigns
everything is different by the foundation board that has really helped a lot with P
R issues when we launched our privacy campaign and we had a lot of people
switch back to us and we got a lot of positive press so i think
the more things that we can do you that attract positive attention to ask the
better and at the borders in a good position to encourage those things and also
to divert resources in areas that they think are important
thing is we happen socially like produced product we've been trying to create they i
guess
we're trying looks like tried already you
it's not this week coming out of this conference so you know we've been always
the special been working extremely hard in communicating
what's going on like water and things like that through various press releases so we're
constantly trying to engage
that way by communicating more aspersions or so our has been on the forefront of
all about so
no problem for us in a lot of conversation it seems the your answer to
are we manage of the pure disasters
basically better damage control or and more difference i wonder if from
but i could see to other places first of all like maybe before the damage
happens if we're taking certain decisions that are going to cost lots of damage perhaps
if we could get an involved in a letter explaining that was to the community
why we're doing this
or even that take it a step further and maybe take some of the feedback
we're getting and change how you know functions so not just like dealing with damage
after the fact but you preventing and maybe even addressing some of the complaints instead
of
you like i mean it just in with actual action instead of just going into
damage control mode what D does anyone on the board think that the board has
a role in doing this
so i think that social media presents in part answers that because on particular google
plus but another channels like we so often repost some of the most interesting a
blog posts by we did contributors is that it builds excitement at over to features
and also gives a forum for discussion so i feel like a lot of the
people who are in fact you know the active users who are full in a
single button we also have a forum they're not just so you know it's not
just the can owns account but it's also a known for and so i think
our engagements there is also not just remedying
the situation but it's also engage in people where is a feel that they're part
of like known what's happening and can provide feedback early on
what marina and so it it's also true we are part of in terms of
trying to get out the message of what we're doing
sometimes we can only be reactive in some cases because
we don't have a single unified voice and we should what
we can have it and we shouldn't have a single unified voice that everybody in
the project goes through so sometimes stuff just happens
what we can do as not
as a board we can we can try to ask everyone to
be mindful of their
position in the project especially if there are like maintainers score maintainers or core contributors
to the platform or the entire
collection of projects a is gonna
be mindful of their position there that every time they
open their social media or are they open the block their logs to try to
post or something what they say is no
show us
what they think but also reflects on can is a project
so that is probably the most proactive thing we can do as a for ask
so everybody to be mindful of that we don't want to have
wouldn't want to
continuously go around chasing people for writing lot post like this is the last product
or
everything is gonna be sorry
staring into the abyss or something of that it's
it it's not that we don't want people to right
criticism of the project but
the has to be
constructive criticism well seventeen do you have a question on
i inside the microphone and i can i and i mean i think so the
flip side to that question and sort of what i'm hearing from rants question is
also what can we do to help improve better communication within the project you know
is sort of a you know i have a better public facing explanation sometimes when
decisions are taken in to make sure that kind of communication is there
how can we internalise some of the criticisms the receiving but i would sort of
say
so
okay so it's a minor thing but
i totally i totally got that but we are routinely criticised for example for removing
features without consideration for
and this is something that drives me
it's something that i see everywhere and i think it's
what
so where that comes from this is actually legacy right so when we what you
know want to go to we were early on project we didn't do any can
we are reach so when we were already going through that whole face problem first
eight releases of gonna to
we were moving features but we never told them the context so why we're doing
it
so
because nobody went in there and said publicly this is why we doing it
those miss continue to perpetuate so lot of people who are saying
you the removing features are actually people remembering
gonna to i that's my i believe that's exactly web because we didn't do any
committee management that time and i thought i know this because
even when we're going to gonna to that
you know twenty you know that you go on a on a on a social
me is site like slashdot it's a same stop the same criticism was happening continuously
on all of the i mean i'm one of those sites all the time and
even in those days you would never think that gonna was a number one
that's top even it and slashed at the case it was
this is costly set of negativity
sure
the nautilus is in this interesting case
i was just going to say that it's names to be more of a social
problem that's
actually members of a commute you do need to communicate more with each other and
maybe actually say what they're going to do before they do it
and that's something that each person needs to D on there and it's not something
that we can force them to be we can ask people to do it but
we can't force them because everyone's individual
i mean if you if there's a project you're specifically interested then maybe should actually
go and i can it
and then you have a sane what's how it goes
still have perhaps of the board feels that they should have a role and setting
the tone for the culture of the project are influencing
well we do represent the project because we've been very to then
so i have from that view we can at least set that in some way
but it's
all we can do i think is just ask people to
the else and each other
well not necessarily well i was
going to say slide is saying that we can mildly
like what would be a be amount rolled model maybe and by i don't know
communicating nicely also to the outside world
trying to set you know positive examples for
all follow project members
i don't think "'cause"
alright i don't think we can do a lot
well off precise all we can take precise actions i think
"'cause" we are but at least i see myself as
someone that directs resources
and makes i don't know
decisions not necessarily
hard technical decision decisions within the project but facilitates
that the project works
and
so i don't know i wouldn't i wouldn't see myself as someone that
goals
straight i don't know onto these
a social platforms and commuted to the users work on the problem facilitate
but we just make to do next
is that doesn't make sense
okay we heard okay so one of the thing i gotta cough to suck
okay so one of the things i think that is
to me it's actually very fascinating problem that can has is that i mean you
think about it were a bunch of individuals and a bunch of teens working pretty
at on the bus late and yet somehow when you think about it we managed
to pull off an entire
major product
on a perfectly well schedule you know six months every single
semester for lack of a better word basis in at the doing it for god
i don't even know how many years i've not been around you know since before
you know i was here since two thousand five but we've been historically doing that
were like a company
and yep of course for the complete opposite of the company and so it's the
outside world everyone is kind of looking at is at least in my mind i
mean not exactly like for apple or microsoft word is be model with the thank
and for not and still unanswered of rains of original question i think the board
does have an active role but it's at the same level as the marketing team
and is the design team and the accessibility meant a release team i think what
you know that every can we try to have a foundation meeting a few people
show up and then you know the border whoever posted it says and no one
comes maybe not exactly and open foundation meeting but maybe what all of the individual
teams need to do is have regular you know at least representatives like the board
beeps with the design team and is you know the police teams present excessively teams
present and we can all sit around and say you know what guys we're gonna
remove the speech or from models
and if that is the decision on that the people to make those decisions make
well then okay the marketing team i need to do something or maybe you know
we wanna have a discussion about okay well we can remove that for the geeks
really want it maybe there you know we need to discuss because if we give
the impression to the outside world despite the quality work that we produce that we
are at it's you know a monolith the creature that's we're gonna see that's we're
gonna be treated on slashdot
and that's are gonna be treated on right it and but functionally we all know
that we're not such a monologue
well in terms of structure and i'm use pretty the flat
so there is no it's a lot teams at the same so maybe we should
increase the height i think i once i'm sorry but it but just of quickly
followed what i'm actually saying the opposite but because we're because we are flat we
all or individual little units need to talk together a lot more and coordinate our
actions a lot more i think the board actually that i've actually responding to so
is to make the board actually does have the ability to make some changes and
this and i would just want to find out that it if you anybody any
audience anytime has any suggestions for concrete action support you take email the board it's
very easy to do and the board will consider all actions their email to it
i think that a point that hasn't been made here is that the board has
power to implemented a code of conduct or to change the code of conduct that
we have already and that's something that maybe the board could evaluate responsive
is this what are you going to do to make this happen
well since i only just now kind of been listening really thought about it when
i get back i guess this email the right down that i have an action
item to email all the other team's and say you know you all agree and
how often should we meet and where should we meet and what's are all gonna
get on the same page so we can coordinate what happens a lot better than
we are now training you think there are particular you know action items that should
be taken in these meetings but the board now
a trend says that you things chinese idea sounds wonderful
so i and i well that's not accurate were that i don't know board can
set the culture to be not too extreme to say that if we're gonna remove
features that's fine but we need to have a public discussion before we do that
so that it's not at least to the outside appearing like all of a sudden
pattern on from nautilus are all of a sudden compact used on from nautilus and
i know that there may be there may be some internal discussion going on within
the team but from the outside even it if you're not on the team it's
hard to it's hard to see that and it's hard to see that
and it just it makes it gives the appearance that people are just removing things
without a discussion
i mean do we do we all spy i wonder why sh should we also
have these countries when we add things right because that also cost the way
and i knew like i think like one thing there is like real helpful is
like winning it shorter probably and
such as this conference right
but also i mean does at least seven like if the release T right says
like unfortunately we cannot release that
then that is how it is right this a like this new version of this
application
cannot going to release
just possible
huh
but what i'm what i'm saying is that like to some extent D board also
exposes the house
cannot take the technical decisions right
that's bring them by los so it's kind of tricky not way
and i also can to think of like to keep things simple right so i
mean like
we had discussion that announced and uncertain may always right where people one other and
unlike it just exploded in
discussion right so we you i recall like the last one here the board had
to tell an individual to
please come down or he or she would be down from the list
so i guess that's that part of it but i also know that it's not
exactly what you're asking for
but we also need to be mindful of the fact that you know designed is
the committee doesn't work real great so well we could have those discussions we you
know we should be trusting people who are you know
do in the design or people who are do any release or people who are
doing the coding and you people who wants to participate in the discussions need to
be a lot more involved than just kinda like you know have an L long
form a but cool one some feature would as and
i just would like to add that i mean this whole discussion is going on
with the background that it's axiomatic that we going to and we're going to continue
german features and that in fact we have remove features
well i it's only in a lot i mean it's a new the last three
years that with right with great default suspend confided with for moving pages
and my opinion
and my opinion i mean i mean moving see things from controls in the territory
tall as norman features
so that if you look at the actual number of stings a we have removed
implement small and full of applications
the reach the stuff has been moved around so what i'm saying is like
can we stop talking about removing features and if we do okay
talking about in these terms but if we do
what's the longer product we trying to create where we can go back to the
original perhaps going more try we have the default a great
because
that's
that's version seems to be swamped you know why we have the destructible gravity them
or switches i mean
i don't think it's always been this way the composition
what trying to create a product that is straightforward to use
and we are into reading on what that might be
that's right
i really see that i truly believe that we have to stick with our design
vision but i think we
it's are role to communicate why we're making certain changes not only after people get
really upset or angry but like beforehand so this is gonna happen this is what's
coming and not just let people get really mad and upset and feel like they
have been neglected or not but nobody bought about them on so that then we
will say something then we're right up what most about it it's something is gonna
land we usually know it's gonna land i mean in advance
so i don't see any reason why we
we would not
have this conversation with the community before things happen so people can
started anyway there's a bit of the danger there because when you open up that
much you can really get bogged down by people who nitpick and i mean you
don't want to console have a discussion i mean is our project with is the
direction we're going when people complain there's a number of reasons behind why they complain
it's sort of strange just by the amount of people or complain is actually power
fairly small but
there are a lot and they're consistent
so
and yes and lot of don't use gonna because
they'll what i talk so this is comes from hours of conversations
with these people i mean this is and this is by engaging and then i
find out that it's been they were angry backing gonna to
and they left that and they can see to get over the fact that
that
over the fact that somehow
they've been betrayed
i mean a lot of people who are complaining
to be true but we only feel betrayed because nobody told you beforehand otherwise you
wouldn't feel bit they betrayed that's what i'm saying down from the last couple of
incidents that we have experienced i feel that people on com doll a lot after
the reasons where were exposed and that the russian all of our decisions what was
supposed on and they often filled more outraged by our lack of expulsion of those
reasons of those does motivations and then by the actual removal of the feature they
can of course take it's always gonna happen but if and i think people tend
to forget faster if them the reasons are proposed
so it's not always clear that the people using the group the people engage in
those are actually users a using or software
violating my on well i think you're right that there is there that does happen
but i think what ryan was asking was more specific and not for you know
not for the people more in using you know and i think that might be
on it was sort of addressing you know that very same issue and i wonder
is there something we can i mean i brought of the code of conduct because
that's something that the board has control over you know is there some way to
build in some kinds of procedures that require you know you some process of documentation
whatever some something is impacted
is it just me or is applicable we element materials to those to applaud doing
homework properly
because they actually like of them like blog quite a lot unlike upcoming changes right
and i think it would be helpful to see similar things from under P developers
so i agree like it's obviously good to get out i had of potentially controversial
decisions and to do kind of
engage with people one making those decisions
and
there's always a lot more but we could be during and we could always be
better
that's
you know this is a free software project
people come here to have
to do good work
to feel empowered to be able to do something
and we don't have the kind of resources
to do as much as we'd one i'd you know a custom get into this
to be public relations people
they get into the to them and i think we should and central design is
an owl documentation writers and everyone else
and i mean really need is more marketing resources so that we have like dedicated
P L people who when they see like the there's a potential situation bring they
can
gonna get the story and talk to people and do all the work that's necessary
i mean this is what happens in companies right this is how companies manage public
relations a lot discounts and the idea that
this is just some kind of marketing problem you know there are decision making processes
to consider as well but
and then when we have kind of hate marketing people phone i'm the situations like
this are gonna arise i mean the market it seemed that we have a
volunteers you know we have a limited amount of time we're not marketing professionals we
do what we can try to do that changing the name of the marketing to
do you know from passion are how are you to that is it is something
like that it sounds like a really stay
probably
i mean that's generally what the product management comes and in some shape or form
of the
the some kind of liaison person and generally that's the role that i try to
perform right like so i mean you know
i'll i will just you know issues as the coming up and i know the
right kind of the people who are working closely with design and development know about
but then the question is what do you do about that because you know i'd
i don't think
i think even if we did let the marketing team
no i'm not entirely sure that we have the capacity to do much about
well mean that's what we already do with like you know myself from the two
years and draw everyone else something
we know what's going on i mean the information is that
so
so what idea we could do is maybe work a little closer to release team
released team would know the set of features everything else and they could give us
a heads up
the release team has a very well defined like role in terms of not just
deciding also speeding release unless
the marketing that martin in paris and that's that
i think what needs to happen is
more people should follow their released
i mean marketing design everybody should follow there really is the
not be on the release think that's that would be kind of pointless but
they should follow mark do you think it this is the release things this magical
creature that lives in the forest and sometimes gets out of the forest and drops
a steaming pile packages for distributions to pick up and make like gold out of
it
i know that's why i'm not i
but D
them
it's not that mythical it's not it's a bunch of people actually running a bunch
of scripts
and fixing the issues that come up when building the collection projects days now
they are human beings and they do human beings stuff so people should just talk
to them
read what they you're right in there you males it's not a high elevation so
it's sometimes it's english is sent english as well so it should be read
right
and people should just follow there is a mainly space with public archives people can
actually follow what happens
so if you want to be involving the release the just
paul the release stole then on actually i think it's a get suggestion evaluated
just i think princeton same inspiration so i have to follow
in terms of
what do i have to read all the commit so for tweaked or left to
follow all the projects that i think might remove features
in future and it's only like six projects so just follow them nautilus the shame
a schema changes that ceilings demon controls in the in the mailing list of audio
and you could of although i do sometimes wonderfully secret I R C channels and
i'm not privy to that like it's not that much work
so we did we did have a notion of doing week we but that somebody
would do weekly reports of
what was going on various modules
that could be somebody wants to volunteer doing something like that would help a lot
for a lot of us we need somebody who can mangle those mangle those things
and maybe that's what we are can get volunteers for to do is to do
those reports
right
and i just i just is that what we hear is that we need more
people fill in and please don roles and i'm just thinking and matt allen for
years ago when we were both a now way to grant can area so you
know in four years you can be alan and have chance if you know sorry
if you start being a liaison between designers and marketing work between release team and
marketing and we need more people fill in those roles and wanting to
kinda you know is see what's going on and try to explain it we need
more people to communicate
we we've got a little bit far away from and now i've been trying to
ask a question for a while but something happened about ten minutes ago i was
talking about have the board has a role in setting the tone for the community
influencing the culture and two members of the board in front of a room full
of people basically said that people who criticise you know or you can use it
but that's i mean i heard it industry and you use sort of implicitly agree
that is a pretty radical interpretation of the subtext
and i think you're absolutely wrong
but this is what i heard i mean that suddenly how i took it and
i think this is an attitude that pervades can home and i think it's to
our hazard we too often dismiss are our detractors what i what i actually i
i'm gonna stop line for myself because i actually said something like that but i
said we should we should let people criticise number even inside and out
but they should be mindful of their if they're in the can project they should
be mindful that their words reflect on the overall project so it should be very
clear about
adding constructive criticism
okay so
i was going by people accurately wide-ranging okay so
do you are telling me well okay so
i had made a statement that lot of people who complain about gonna we're not
gonna music right i said that because
did a lot of times where i do i mean the people like am i
engage them on a one to one basis and the number of forms so this
is coming from an off the cuff remark this is
right now okay show it's there's that's now i'm sorry i just repeating the questions
you know like and then trying to thing that there are people who are complaining
who left now and who are users of them
you know like classical saying like i'm so and read you because i want your
rights and like i see you around doing but i still believe in thing we
have to get it right so i mean i mean like if you if you
are really happy then you are just indifferent right so actually the fusion abusive relationship
i don't want to phrase conversation all know in terms of that
alright that is definitely not smile my intent i really don't
so no
so
okay so there's a subtlety and that whole argument about whether other people have the
right to complain if they're not using a stopper
that that's not my intention i'm not i'm not saying that others cannot
complain about the project i take
when people criticise a take everything
i take everything seriously regardless whether there
from gonna we're not it's because everybody is a potential returnees do right so
i'm just saying that when we're addressing problems that need to keep in mind that
some of them
it was specific to what are the honour was saying in the sense that when
the air are boundary that and you're trying to have a conversation some of some
of the conversation gonna have a sort of noise
because there is a set that haven't forgotten as i said i was tucker better
and they are just doing to have no intention to come back or anything
but they cannot seem to get past
that part i and
there is a subset like that there's in fact there's a lot of reasons why
people dislike you know there's
from a variety of reasons
there's a class of people who dislike
you know because it's trying to be popular
and it is just set of people who like
having their own niche os
and they want
you keep it
for themselves
in the same vein they don't like princes more women joining
the movement in the same sort of thing it's their necks
this is what i've gleaned from
having conversations with people like that
it's sort of
there's a certain psychosis and some of these
so i'm not
i know i guess i can sorta i usually can tell what's valid
criticisms and what is not
which is one what is noise to some extent
just because i've been doing it for
three years
three four years
so i do that personally because i know i am
so when i'm when i'm when i'm out there doing it
then things i say is said in a way that
gives the impression they don't doesn't care
whether
unless you're user and i mean
the words are not set that way
so the moment project all out here and the a been going to go out
of for ten years
and
i also use gnome by the time we had a F T P client embedded
in the panel
we had to shell embedded in the panel i'm still hating you all removing my
favourite feature all time by the way i'm not going to tell you want to
also but you remove it
but the back and that i we look around and had a pretty clear vision
statement for the know what like gnome application walls what was supposed to do in
the form of the egg
in the two point though there is it was pretty much the guiding
document of the whole project
what is can and then we got the three point though and we have a
to have that interface that suppose to work and touchscreens that's supposed to is remove
all the features and all the work on the three D graphics and so on
and we are
why do you why do you think i'm not mention to here
but what i'm what i mean here is that
we lost our mission statement
we lost the guiding light that others see what are we trying to do
i think ambitions chinese pretty damned clear we should make an operating system or an
environment that is
that i full to use a joy to use for the uses and it's free
and it's open source
and it's
and
it's a great user experience that is the mission has always been the mission i
mean even gonna one point four we didn't make a project to
make it so hard any possible to users to use their computers because we need
people use
and we like to impose misery on the people that use hours i'm some anything
their hand thing
right
so i from what i understand from various from various comments for the vice people
there is that communication problem and there is a lot of a single person that
could coordinate various teams
and you could in not impose but probably set a direction in the vision so
should we allocate okay and we allocate some resources in the form of an office
L C your normal or something like that
god
sorry
project leader yes
i don't i know i vote we bring chapel back and we have in like
in the what we could ask mark
i mean is already doing that for we can ask mark for the
sorry
but
what should we nominate somebody days the sell well not the self appointed that
foundation appointed a benevolent dictator for life of them
what would that was said that
who had the guts to say that i
you do
i you don't wanna be or that a really don't
no i think that's not great idea at all i think
it's
it's good that we have various teams that are in bold in their specific areas
they need to get better talking each other
that's true
but that's it we shouldn't have one person that gives
okay so i i've been wanting to say a couple of things but the last
question
is related to one of things i wanted to say and it was you go
of there is but it what we have in this is what i was saying
that lance right we have a communication problem namely we are communicating amongst ourselves someone
was saying i think was owl and that you know we are professional P R
people but man i what can at our marketing team and they write a pretty
darn professional and if we actually keep down in the loop and if we have
to keep to police team i don't out alex to the really steamy the know
about model is removing that feature mister can your
so was that paid attention my question is that the release so i in the
do some of the discussion was the release team you know
if it the implication that a new say about the nautilus removal did you guys
even know about that
but well these figuring out the mic thank the other thing i wanted to
point to point out to respond to i think i think it was probably on
a set it but
you know i mean something that i've been thinking about for awhile like them really
been thinking about it is i'm sitting here it's like okay so this happened maybe
after can online this definitely happened after can own to
what we learned from that why do you can be number three this happened you
know it's like
it's we just keeps repeating itself so the next time we're gonna do you know
when they don't for comes out this bloody well better not happen because we have
been here you know it's like groundhog day that movie groundhog day when you wake
up of thirty days the same stupid thing if we start all communicating now
we all keep all of us in the loop
and we can all be proactive instead of reactive would be known for comes out
this crap isn't gonna happen and if it does well that we learned from that
and we're ready for you know five
but about that you dream some of the questions that about the least ensure that
others to but you something like that is every from that is i mean well
the reason we are having these specific questions is because last year the wrist in
where the one who will i be here
because an us some other people mention
some people feel that the wrist is do more that they are doing right now
but that's my only saying that so you use estranged analogy i is better you
that i would like to see that there is can easily i tool i mean
use yes like a smart well i will i would like to think that this
has my will be messing i mean they hire
the what they
do is just basically compile all you know messed up
for example so there are a few to propose are period release teen doesn't aside
i mean we are going to take these and these teachers is not like that
if you to proposal i've sent to the best of better on the people talk
and the release team stays on the meeting okay people say that it makes that
there were a we should include
based on this feature or medium used
being a benevolent at all the raw and be sure that the tutors way on
them being people but we happy can people not the goals because we have a
power we happy can be put because those people propose feature and the community approved
that so in that sense i thought i read only that probably which try to
learn something from the past
and
i think that and sees use something that you don't to you know three i
think that the people have the feeling that
listing half a lot of power because of these where am and don't gonna stumble
the wrist in west estate apropos thing you know three saying but in the end
they just proposal that and they committed i with that but i'm saying is that
wasting reason out at this is you on
and decision team is just to ask
i'm not talking about my opinion and my for something and i have we is
and then i that in the end it would be about the idea to having
a real all the role
saying we still do that because in the end i mean we are talking about
is our on the power decision these at that mine ten of time so i
mean we have it would be something strange to say to them and then it
just two that are used to that i think
so
we have or whatever
so we're as to what alan said before that you know we just here too
hard i don't know i mean when i wanted to fix my first part i
needed to learn about called guidelines and do presentation and you will see that and
i mean the fact that we're now
professional P R people doesn't mean though we don't we shouldn't have better it right
so i just for sort of do know each group's blue
well
for
but that's so far from each other
you just don't
in response to a one i mean i know what you're saying but it's not
you and you and you and you when you it's we you and i think
that's at the team level there's not like this thousands of teams and you know
if the teams at the team level start talking i think will make some progress
i sat suggestion and that mike are buying fee to highlight be communicators and to
actually draw attention to the people who are and you were trying to help and
in this area and i think that's a good suggestion
does anybody want to move on to another question i think we've talked about this
one or has a completely different point to make
O C R
i've been making not making a vision for your so it's probably want to or
just projects that still a lot of
i don't think you know more do needs you know technical polishing it'll barely scheme
or by you know someone policy at all it's it has to be the main
thing this thing zero we have had features
it's probably not the maintenance what that it don't know how it works but it
works because there are some still know some people around the world are using it
so before you little a feature i think it's the maintainers rolled to take at
that's been used are not you know your body about so coming from you know
how you know the you sell this and all those things i think it should
be more based on that to take into addition i don't think about it or
any other of policing from it at the least team auditorily any other team that
so we should work and
if F features been the writing it should be centralised to that more than instructing
you know a you know be known to the as a whole thing you know
that so i really see this
anyway
just
how are our meeting
i was waiting for that ten any i
okay
thanks everybody for caring some i don't to stick around and i don't know no
i just wanted to make a comment because i'm a naughty so that he thinks
our mission statement is pretty clear and i think it's
i don't think it is i think we have a very i mean saying we
are providing a great experience for everyone is a very good draft and it gets
of an overview of what we're trying to do but saying a great experience for
users which users what users that it's pretty nice to say that we can please
everybody in the world with one single experience so we cannot so we're definitely focusing
in a certain kind of person and we might as well figured it's all together
and great experiences a very broad term
we experience for want grey experience how and which way so i think there's a
lot of gaps we need to fill and we have a as a basis but
i mean i guess there's a lot gaps we need to fill it in needs
to be needs to be
okay
there is a lot of things to define in that particular mission statement
it's
a mission statement should not be three pages long to detail word you are users
are or who they are not or how the experience should be the life for
a how it should not be delightful a
i think
abroad mission statement is fine and as to be chiselled down on very specifically with
the L for the marketing team or the average or whatever goals bowl by likeable
and the release team and everybody else that works on them at a higher level
than just a single mould you month and then as to be
handled by each and every month in are in some way
so that's important
but
the mission statement can be attacked
that it we're gonna use this to fill the gaps how many people here were
dissipate in a foundation sorry stingray meeting to discuss this further
i would
okay let's get this only the next piracy meeting of the foundation
i think we should probably wrap this up and make sure that we have plenty
of worms going on throughout the year to discuss this should be only a lot
of thing i mean we've got such a passion involved me i do you wanna
and i that you know i want and on a slightly different note the board
i mean every other week which i've been involved in as you guys know a
lot of nonprofit organisations
this is the only one i know that is like this where the board wants
to meet so often most boards that i've been involved with me like quarterly at
most
so every other week isn't seen it's a lot of work and so i just
want to ask quickly in like one sentence or last what is it about can
on that makes you think that it's worth serving on the board to meet every
other weekend to you know be have to answer for the project in general
select start at the centre this and
the pressure community
also the community
a little you go so it's one
now i feel like i need us shorts nor keep it these thing and i
don't have wanted to be brief
crying out
i'm way past a
B equal access to software information for everybody all over the world
community no
it's worth it
so them so who is the question videos
i a
i have you can pretend of the organisation now you're in for and second term
why do you spend your time doing it
well so
so
i'm not i'm not sure it's gonna be very inspirational a sprays or something but
you know like somebody needs to do it writes
someone needs to do i see
there are so many other people that do like a lot of really hardcore development
but someone needs to do like to boring meetings but a phone meetings to but
like long that
hi so for me it is the high standards and the friendly communities that i'm
proud to like introduce new people to and you know that we build in something
that can reach a lot of people
thank you are we should have these conversations all the time
so will announce the next foundations i receive meeting please join us tell everybody else
you wasn't here today that they should join the nist meeting about keep doing it
thank you so much for coming