1 00:00:10,430 --> 00:00:14,310 so i just want to introduce you your new board the boards transition 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,130 transition the couple of weeks ago but really there's an in person meeting all day 3 00:00:21,130 --> 00:00:25,940 board meeting wanna quite before products are and the new and the old fort meade 4 00:00:25,940 --> 00:00:30,450 and so really coming out of water "'cause" one then you board takes over 5 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:38,250 so we're going by alphabetical in the middle sort of photographing you has you watch 6 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:38,650 him 7 00:00:41,220 --> 00:00:44,310 is a manual a busty known for 8 00:00:44,990 --> 00:00:45,840 clutter 9 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:49,310 among other things 10 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:50,800 i 11 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:54,790 i next is john read it 12 00:00:55,750 --> 00:00:56,830 who is known 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,010 we're accessibility i 14 00:01:02,290 --> 00:01:02,320 i 15 00:01:03,610 --> 00:01:03,860 i 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,090 there are her favourite colour you stevie deep purple 17 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:12,730 alphabetical last and 18 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:17,150 coming so 19 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:19,370 last same alphabetical order 20 00:01:22,860 --> 00:01:24,520 i should have 21 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:29,860 yes i should mention that a many well a is us secretary of the organisation 22 00:01:29,860 --> 00:01:34,310 again and then joanie is now vice president 23 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:36,040 alright 24 00:01:40,850 --> 00:01:46,730 need to the for this year and taking on the very sought after position of 25 00:01:46,730 --> 00:01:47,450 tries or 26 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:50,770 is it katerina 27 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:52,670 for a similar 28 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:55,140 okay 29 00:01:57,350 --> 00:02:02,140 hua we contribute in many ways including documentation and 30 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:04,950 her hacker chickens 31 00:02:06,670 --> 00:02:10,680 on the end is toby miller 32 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:17,370 who is this so it's a little cut off but is the superhero this would 33 00:02:17,370 --> 00:02:23,520 interest you friends appeal recently and does tons of work with the membership many 34 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:25,720 and 35 00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:34,370 we have are returning to the board and serving another year as president andreas nielsen 36 00:02:38,610 --> 00:02:40,690 have you noticed that he really likes birds 37 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,040 new the more this year we have a long time contributor tick you know so 38 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,590 your am wrong krishna 39 00:02:57,820 --> 00:02:58,930 i'll say no more 40 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:03,080 i 41 00:03:04,170 --> 00:03:09,690 and also need this year to the board is marinas ratings guy who is known 42 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:12,380 for bringing a lot of austin you contributors signal 43 00:03:22,370 --> 00:03:23,780 did somebody want this more 44 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,340 do you just want to keep seeing this 45 00:03:35,980 --> 00:03:39,710 i was wondering how like for singing on the look that was this is a 46 00:03:44,230 --> 00:03:50,400 it wanna be a little higher it's and i wanna stay at thank you it's 47 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,110 you see floppy and processor and also some we can so he's not here so 48 00:03:55,110 --> 00:04:01,710 you gets parentheses for having served that you know in the past year or years 49 00:04:01,710 --> 00:04:05,110 it's a it actually is a lot of work to be a board member and 50 00:04:05,110 --> 00:04:08,460 i think i when you see them you should thank them 51 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:15,330 so i have a couple questions but let's just opened things up right away 52 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:17,660 go ahead and ask we dare you 53 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:31,260 what's with the total up to talk 54 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:39,440 who i remembered we decided that it should be the port bites back 55 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:41,040 no 56 00:04:42,170 --> 00:04:45,330 that was not my suggestion i think actually was talents 57 00:04:48,180 --> 00:04:52,580 more interesting in curing a i think it's inspire you to get the board to 58 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:52,990 pay back 59 00:04:57,950 --> 00:05:01,660 can everybody hear that word where you know people talk without my 60 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,160 okay 61 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:09,150 it will be better 62 00:05:09,690 --> 00:05:12,970 do we do we have another mike that's running or okay 63 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:14,470 so 64 00:05:14,790 --> 00:05:18,200 so you guys have less like and i'll stand here we can all share so 65 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:18,800 who 66 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:20,670 well so that's a question 67 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:32,810 good morning the sue be in particular the full lost three uses so we are 68 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:38,330 the be all the saw still running slowly over jean the awards what else board 69 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:40,040 on you most you 70 00:05:40,580 --> 00:05:42,650 to should course about that much 71 00:05:46,850 --> 00:05:48,340 from the more from the marketing 72 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,250 okay you don't want me to answer that question because an on the marketing team 73 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:57,090 and i'm known for not being a marketing person 74 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:03,240 no i i'm 75 00:06:04,210 --> 00:06:09,160 that that's why somebody on the market seen should actually and on the board should 76 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,580 actually answer the question 77 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:12,060 you know one meta 78 00:06:17,820 --> 00:06:18,120 okay 79 00:06:20,490 --> 00:06:24,810 okay so the question is what is a board for the past three years 80 00:06:26,710 --> 00:06:27,780 the last year 81 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:28,530 you 82 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:37,150 okay well i can tell you well you know as i said in my talk 83 00:06:37,150 --> 00:06:38,760 sorry 84 00:06:39,910 --> 00:06:41,260 there when we attend anyway 85 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:44,260 i am so 86 00:06:44,650 --> 00:06:52,460 for the last year i personally has had to do lot of the outreach within 87 00:06:52,460 --> 00:06:57,320 can so lot of it is so as when 88 00:06:58,150 --> 00:07:00,920 so it started from three point O on words 89 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,460 so let me let me step back when we did three point 90 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:08,210 we didn't have any average for 91 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:09,490 there was nothing 92 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:15,650 we had no infrastructure are anything like that to sort of 93 00:07:17,140 --> 00:07:20,640 soften the shock right and 94 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,780 one of the things we've done is actually create that infrastructure so we had we 95 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:31,740 had a number things we did one I R C name space on free knows 96 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:38,310 consolidate underground so can is a that name space was 97 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,360 is under our control right so we can control the message and control the channels 98 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,310 are creators and reports like i hate you know more something like that 99 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:56,910 second we created the google plus pages that the facebook pages and be assigned people 100 00:07:56,910 --> 00:08:03,340 to monitor them weekly community pages we had also 101 00:08:05,730 --> 00:08:07,670 we have also created forums 102 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:14,080 so basically we created a presence the google plus especially has been pretty good because 103 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:20,840 when we first started there were no developers or anything like that so now what 104 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:28,830 we had is are these and google plus we have developers engage with users and 105 00:08:28,830 --> 00:08:36,280 ask at answering questions people like florian have actually even written code that pose posing 106 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,720 on their answering people so 107 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:41,160 we we've gotten to the state where 108 00:08:43,970 --> 00:08:49,510 defending gonna has become a lot easier in and 109 00:08:50,670 --> 00:08:53,930 if you if you look on read it or anything like that when it when 110 00:08:53,930 --> 00:09:00,350 it grown thread is there a usually used to be me a couple other people 111 00:09:00,350 --> 00:09:06,880 subtitles all the bidders would jump at especially an L the view and we would 112 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,090 we will engage but now we have users coming up saying i don't know what 113 00:09:10,090 --> 00:09:11,580 you guys talk about i like and very 114 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:12,950 so 115 00:09:14,340 --> 00:09:19,780 that i is changing in terms of what people think of us we still have 116 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:22,600 a lot to do it's always a continual process 117 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:25,200 to making 118 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,370 converse with our with our users right so 119 00:09:32,380 --> 00:09:37,150 so that's so i would say are situations improved a lot a and we have 120 00:09:37,150 --> 00:09:39,580 infrastructure now to really 121 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:46,740 engage in our users especially with insect that forces when they don't terminal 122 00:09:47,380 --> 00:09:53,000 thing came out i think we have about fairly well we post on google plus 123 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,180 we went be engaged in our read it where it happened it except that so 124 00:09:58,180 --> 00:09:59,530 we it's been 125 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:02,530 it's been we were able to contain 126 00:10:03,430 --> 00:10:04,590 when something happens 127 00:10:05,850 --> 00:10:09,580 i would say i'm not on the fourth but i can see a lot of 128 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:12,860 the board actually over the last year the board was 129 00:10:14,140 --> 00:10:18,420 was very proactive about assigning resources to help support marketing team which is helped a 130 00:10:18,420 --> 00:10:24,750 lot the marketing team was able to have a how fast which helps you know 131 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:28,290 sort of distill some of the messaging that we want to get across from you 132 00:10:28,290 --> 00:10:34,120 know and also is sort of helping with you know the resources and infrastructure to 133 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,640 encourage regular meetings of the marketing meeting the marketing many needs every other week by 134 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,930 phone and that really helps us be able to respond to some of us of 135 00:10:42,930 --> 00:10:48,120 the P R issues so there's a lot of that there's also the foundation supports 136 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,440 travel for people to go to you don't to conferences which helps a lot and 137 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,540 also pacer might time which you know is also very helpful in some ways for 138 00:10:58,540 --> 00:11:03,360 handling here and also as i was saying at the at the A G M 139 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:10,060 having are you know having our campaigns be ideological of that is different the campaigns 140 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:14,470 everything is different by the foundation board that has really helped a lot with P 141 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:18,070 R issues when we launched our privacy campaign and we had a lot of people 142 00:11:18,070 --> 00:11:21,850 switch back to us and we got a lot of positive press so i think 143 00:11:21,850 --> 00:11:25,430 the more things that we can do you that attract positive attention to ask the 144 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:29,360 better and at the borders in a good position to encourage those things and also 145 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,800 to divert resources in areas that they think are important 146 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:41,330 thing is we happen socially like produced product we've been trying to create they i 147 00:11:41,330 --> 00:11:42,060 guess 148 00:11:43,810 --> 00:11:46,980 we're trying looks like tried already you 149 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,710 it's not this week coming out of this conference so you know we've been always 150 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:56,570 the special been working extremely hard in communicating 151 00:11:56,910 --> 00:12:04,370 what's going on like water and things like that through various press releases so we're 152 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:06,280 constantly trying to engage 153 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:12,940 that way by communicating more aspersions or so our has been on the forefront of 154 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:14,040 all about so 155 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,910 no problem for us in a lot of conversation it seems the your answer to 156 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:29,230 are we manage of the pure disasters 157 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,960 basically better damage control or and more difference i wonder if from 158 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,850 but i could see to other places first of all like maybe before the damage 159 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:46,570 happens if we're taking certain decisions that are going to cost lots of damage perhaps 160 00:12:46,570 --> 00:12:50,600 if we could get an involved in a letter explaining that was to the community 161 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,990 why we're doing this 162 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,440 or even that take it a step further and maybe take some of the feedback 163 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,050 we're getting and change how you know functions so not just like dealing with damage 164 00:13:01,050 --> 00:13:06,000 after the fact but you preventing and maybe even addressing some of the complaints instead 165 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,580 of 166 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,500 you like i mean it just in with actual action instead of just going into 167 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:14,820 damage control mode what D does anyone on the board think that the board has 168 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:15,790 a role in doing this 169 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,960 so i think that social media presents in part answers that because on particular google 170 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:30,920 plus but another channels like we so often repost some of the most interesting a 171 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:36,470 blog posts by we did contributors is that it builds excitement at over to features 172 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:40,390 and also gives a forum for discussion so i feel like a lot of the 173 00:13:40,390 --> 00:13:44,480 people who are in fact you know the active users who are full in a 174 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,590 single button we also have a forum they're not just so you know it's not 175 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:54,190 just the can owns account but it's also a known for and so i think 176 00:13:54,190 --> 00:13:59,270 our engagements there is also not just remedying 177 00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:04,150 the situation but it's also engage in people where is a feel that they're part 178 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:09,420 of like known what's happening and can provide feedback early on 179 00:14:12,940 --> 00:14:17,230 what marina and so it it's also true we are part of in terms of 180 00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:20,900 trying to get out the message of what we're doing 181 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,390 sometimes we can only be reactive in some cases because 182 00:14:27,450 --> 00:14:31,470 we don't have a single unified voice and we should what 183 00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:36,530 we can have it and we shouldn't have a single unified voice that everybody in 184 00:14:36,530 --> 00:14:41,290 the project goes through so sometimes stuff just happens 185 00:14:43,620 --> 00:14:46,050 what we can do as not 186 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:52,290 as a board we can we can try to ask everyone to 187 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:54,620 be mindful of their 188 00:14:55,270 --> 00:15:01,340 position in the project especially if there are like maintainers score maintainers or core contributors 189 00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:04,010 to the platform or the entire 190 00:15:05,070 --> 00:15:07,290 collection of projects a is gonna 191 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:13,070 be mindful of their position there that every time they 192 00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:20,260 open their social media or are they open the block their logs to try to 193 00:15:20,260 --> 00:15:24,820 post or something what they say is no 194 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,320 show us 195 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,390 what they think but also reflects on can is a project 196 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:38,890 so that is probably the most proactive thing we can do as a for ask 197 00:15:38,890 --> 00:15:43,290 so everybody to be mindful of that we don't want to have 198 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:46,800 wouldn't want to 199 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:54,130 continuously go around chasing people for writing lot post like this is the last product 200 00:15:54,130 --> 00:15:54,410 or 201 00:15:55,150 --> 00:15:57,520 everything is gonna be sorry 202 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:01,300 staring into the abyss or something of that it's 203 00:16:02,170 --> 00:16:04,750 it it's not that we don't want people to right 204 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,250 criticism of the project but 205 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:10,080 the has to be 206 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,130 constructive criticism well seventeen do you have a question on 207 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:18,970 i inside the microphone and i can i and i mean i think so the 208 00:16:18,970 --> 00:16:22,050 flip side to that question and sort of what i'm hearing from rants question is 209 00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:26,090 also what can we do to help improve better communication within the project you know 210 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:31,240 is sort of a you know i have a better public facing explanation sometimes when 211 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,420 decisions are taken in to make sure that kind of communication is there 212 00:16:48,510 --> 00:16:52,130 how can we internalise some of the criticisms the receiving but i would sort of 213 00:16:52,130 --> 00:16:52,440 say 214 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:57,770 so 215 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:02,410 okay so it's a minor thing but 216 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:09,230 i totally i totally got that but we are routinely criticised for example for removing 217 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:11,190 features without consideration for 218 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,510 and this is something that drives me 219 00:17:13,890 --> 00:17:16,020 it's something that i see everywhere and i think it's 220 00:17:16,450 --> 00:17:16,740 what 221 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:29,630 so where that comes from this is actually legacy right so when we what you 222 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:33,330 know want to go to we were early on project we didn't do any can 223 00:17:33,330 --> 00:17:40,170 we are reach so when we were already going through that whole face problem first 224 00:17:40,570 --> 00:17:42,910 eight releases of gonna to 225 00:17:43,630 --> 00:17:48,850 we were moving features but we never told them the context so why we're doing 226 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:49,120 it 227 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,420 so 228 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:56,710 because nobody went in there and said publicly this is why we doing it 229 00:17:57,050 --> 00:18:02,610 those miss continue to perpetuate so lot of people who are saying 230 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:06,440 you the removing features are actually people remembering 231 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:12,120 gonna to i that's my i believe that's exactly web because we didn't do any 232 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:16,990 committee management that time and i thought i know this because 233 00:18:17,540 --> 00:18:20,140 even when we're going to gonna to that 234 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:25,260 you know twenty you know that you go on a on a on a social 235 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:31,800 me is site like slashdot it's a same stop the same criticism was happening continuously 236 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,950 on all of the i mean i'm one of those sites all the time and 237 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:40,220 even in those days you would never think that gonna was a number one 238 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,640 that's top even it and slashed at the case it was 239 00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:48,140 this is costly set of negativity 240 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:54,910 sure 241 00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:03,060 the nautilus is in this interesting case 242 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:08,110 i was just going to say that it's names to be more of a social 243 00:19:08,110 --> 00:19:09,630 problem that's 244 00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:13,740 actually members of a commute you do need to communicate more with each other and 245 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:16,450 maybe actually say what they're going to do before they do it 246 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,410 and that's something that each person needs to D on there and it's not something 247 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:24,840 that we can force them to be we can ask people to do it but 248 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,700 we can't force them because everyone's individual 249 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:33,200 i mean if you if there's a project you're specifically interested then maybe should actually 250 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,390 go and i can it 251 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:37,700 and then you have a sane what's how it goes 252 00:19:59,460 --> 00:20:05,870 still have perhaps of the board feels that they should have a role and setting 253 00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:09,720 the tone for the culture of the project are influencing 254 00:20:13,530 --> 00:20:16,680 well we do represent the project because we've been very to then 255 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:21,510 so i have from that view we can at least set that in some way 256 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:22,170 but it's 257 00:20:22,940 --> 00:20:26,040 all we can do i think is just ask people to 258 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:28,260 the else and each other 259 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:36,120 well not necessarily well i was 260 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,150 going to say slide is saying that we can mildly 261 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:44,980 like what would be a be amount rolled model maybe and by i don't know 262 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:47,880 communicating nicely also to the outside world 263 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,090 trying to set you know positive examples for 264 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:53,030 all follow project members 265 00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:54,800 i don't think "'cause" 266 00:20:56,350 --> 00:21:00,230 alright i don't think we can do a lot 267 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:05,970 well off precise all we can take precise actions i think 268 00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:10,110 "'cause" we are but at least i see myself as 269 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,930 someone that directs resources 270 00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:16,630 and makes i don't know 271 00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:19,190 decisions not necessarily 272 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,250 hard technical decision decisions within the project but facilitates 273 00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:25,690 that the project works 274 00:21:26,290 --> 00:21:27,000 and 275 00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:30,190 so i don't know i wouldn't i wouldn't see myself as someone that 276 00:21:31,770 --> 00:21:32,350 goals 277 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:34,920 straight i don't know onto these 278 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:39,570 a social platforms and commuted to the users work on the problem facilitate 279 00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:42,260 but we just make to do next 280 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,630 is that doesn't make sense 281 00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:58,360 okay we heard okay so one of the thing i gotta cough to suck 282 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:04,620 okay so one of the things i think that is 283 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:11,390 to me it's actually very fascinating problem that can has is that i mean you 284 00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:17,590 think about it were a bunch of individuals and a bunch of teens working pretty 285 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,160 at on the bus late and yet somehow when you think about it we managed 286 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,510 to pull off an entire 287 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,980 major product 288 00:22:27,790 --> 00:22:33,110 on a perfectly well schedule you know six months every single 289 00:22:35,010 --> 00:22:39,310 semester for lack of a better word basis in at the doing it for god 290 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:43,480 i don't even know how many years i've not been around you know since before 291 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,030 you know i was here since two thousand five but we've been historically doing that 292 00:22:47,030 --> 00:22:48,700 were like a company 293 00:22:49,090 --> 00:22:53,430 and yep of course for the complete opposite of the company and so it's the 294 00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:58,130 outside world everyone is kind of looking at is at least in my mind i 295 00:22:58,130 --> 00:23:03,490 mean not exactly like for apple or microsoft word is be model with the thank 296 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,970 and for not and still unanswered of rains of original question i think the board 297 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:15,120 does have an active role but it's at the same level as the marketing team 298 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,790 and is the design team and the accessibility meant a release team i think what 299 00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:23,210 you know that every can we try to have a foundation meeting a few people 300 00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:26,820 show up and then you know the border whoever posted it says and no one 301 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:33,690 comes maybe not exactly and open foundation meeting but maybe what all of the individual 302 00:23:33,690 --> 00:23:39,950 teams need to do is have regular you know at least representatives like the board 303 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:44,450 beeps with the design team and is you know the police teams present excessively teams 304 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:48,960 present and we can all sit around and say you know what guys we're gonna 305 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,370 remove the speech or from models 306 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,380 and if that is the decision on that the people to make those decisions make 307 00:23:56,380 --> 00:24:00,270 well then okay the marketing team i need to do something or maybe you know 308 00:24:00,270 --> 00:24:03,800 we wanna have a discussion about okay well we can remove that for the geeks 309 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,690 really want it maybe there you know we need to discuss because if we give 310 00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:14,090 the impression to the outside world despite the quality work that we produce that we 311 00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:19,450 are at it's you know a monolith the creature that's we're gonna see that's we're 312 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:20,740 gonna be treated on slashdot 313 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:25,700 and that's are gonna be treated on right it and but functionally we all know 314 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,300 that we're not such a monologue 315 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:33,910 well in terms of structure and i'm use pretty the flat 316 00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:39,490 so there is no it's a lot teams at the same so maybe we should 317 00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:44,600 increase the height i think i once i'm sorry but it but just of quickly 318 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,850 followed what i'm actually saying the opposite but because we're because we are flat we 319 00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:53,670 all or individual little units need to talk together a lot more and coordinate our 320 00:24:53,670 --> 00:24:58,710 actions a lot more i think the board actually that i've actually responding to so 321 00:24:58,710 --> 00:25:02,460 is to make the board actually does have the ability to make some changes and 322 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:05,200 this and i would just want to find out that it if you anybody any 323 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,340 audience anytime has any suggestions for concrete action support you take email the board it's 324 00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:14,420 very easy to do and the board will consider all actions their email to it 325 00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:17,230 i think that a point that hasn't been made here is that the board has 326 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:21,750 power to implemented a code of conduct or to change the code of conduct that 327 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:26,030 we have already and that's something that maybe the board could evaluate responsive 328 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:32,340 is this what are you going to do to make this happen 329 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,890 well since i only just now kind of been listening really thought about it when 330 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:42,500 i get back i guess this email the right down that i have an action 331 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:47,710 item to email all the other team's and say you know you all agree and 332 00:25:47,710 --> 00:25:51,490 how often should we meet and where should we meet and what's are all gonna 333 00:25:51,490 --> 00:25:54,970 get on the same page so we can coordinate what happens a lot better than 334 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:59,320 we are now training you think there are particular you know action items that should 335 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,280 be taken in these meetings but the board now 336 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,120 a trend says that you things chinese idea sounds wonderful 337 00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:14,840 so i and i well that's not accurate were that i don't know board can 338 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,210 set the culture to be not too extreme to say that if we're gonna remove 339 00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:24,870 features that's fine but we need to have a public discussion before we do that 340 00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:30,410 so that it's not at least to the outside appearing like all of a sudden 341 00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:34,660 pattern on from nautilus are all of a sudden compact used on from nautilus and 342 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:38,570 i know that there may be there may be some internal discussion going on within 343 00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:44,250 the team but from the outside even it if you're not on the team it's 344 00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:47,130 hard to it's hard to see that and it's hard to see that 345 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:53,170 and it just it makes it gives the appearance that people are just removing things 346 00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:54,420 without a discussion 347 00:26:56,090 --> 00:27:02,000 i mean do we do we all spy i wonder why sh should we also 348 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,530 have these countries when we add things right because that also cost the way 349 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,610 and i knew like i think like one thing there is like real helpful is 350 00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:14,480 like winning it shorter probably and 351 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,930 such as this conference right 352 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:25,870 but also i mean does at least seven like if the release T right says 353 00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:29,110 like unfortunately we cannot release that 354 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,890 then that is how it is right this a like this new version of this 355 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:34,770 application 356 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,500 cannot going to release 357 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,930 just possible 358 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:39,960 huh 359 00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:46,280 but what i'm what i'm saying is that like to some extent D board also 360 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,080 exposes the house 361 00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:52,700 cannot take the technical decisions right 362 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:56,810 that's bring them by los so it's kind of tricky not way 363 00:27:58,230 --> 00:28:02,240 and i also can to think of like to keep things simple right so i 364 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,850 mean like 365 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:08,740 we had discussion that announced and uncertain may always right where people one other and 366 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:10,770 unlike it just exploded in 367 00:28:11,410 --> 00:28:17,220 discussion right so we you i recall like the last one here the board had 368 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:19,920 to tell an individual to 369 00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:25,020 please come down or he or she would be down from the list 370 00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:28,450 so i guess that's that part of it but i also know that it's not 371 00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:29,700 exactly what you're asking for 372 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,040 but we also need to be mindful of the fact that you know designed is 373 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,630 the committee doesn't work real great so well we could have those discussions we you 374 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:43,860 know we should be trusting people who are you know 375 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,930 do in the design or people who are do any release or people who are 376 00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:53,480 doing the coding and you people who wants to participate in the discussions need to 377 00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:00,270 be a lot more involved than just kinda like you know have an L long 378 00:29:00,270 --> 00:29:03,350 form a but cool one some feature would as and 379 00:29:06,770 --> 00:29:10,980 i just would like to add that i mean this whole discussion is going on 380 00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:14,990 with the background that it's axiomatic that we going to and we're going to continue 381 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:17,800 german features and that in fact we have remove features 382 00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:22,500 well i it's only in a lot i mean it's a new the last three 383 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:28,740 years that with right with great default suspend confided with for moving pages 384 00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:30,460 and my opinion 385 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:36,870 and my opinion i mean i mean moving see things from controls in the territory 386 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:38,510 tall as norman features 387 00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:43,380 so that if you look at the actual number of stings a we have removed 388 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:45,720 implement small and full of applications 389 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,100 the reach the stuff has been moved around so what i'm saying is like 390 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:56,590 can we stop talking about removing features and if we do okay 391 00:29:57,150 --> 00:29:59,050 talking about in these terms but if we do 392 00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:04,730 what's the longer product we trying to create where we can go back to the 393 00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:07,270 original perhaps going more try we have the default a great 394 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:08,590 because 395 00:30:09,020 --> 00:30:09,890 that's 396 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,950 that's version seems to be swamped you know why we have the destructible gravity them 397 00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:18,980 or switches i mean 398 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:22,690 i don't think it's always been this way the composition 399 00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:29,870 what trying to create a product that is straightforward to use 400 00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:34,740 and we are into reading on what that might be 401 00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:42,560 that's right 402 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:48,770 i really see that i truly believe that we have to stick with our design 403 00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:50,320 vision but i think we 404 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:56,350 it's are role to communicate why we're making certain changes not only after people get 405 00:30:56,350 --> 00:31:01,120 really upset or angry but like beforehand so this is gonna happen this is what's 406 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:08,000 coming and not just let people get really mad and upset and feel like they 407 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,330 have been neglected or not but nobody bought about them on so that then we 408 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:18,270 will say something then we're right up what most about it it's something is gonna 409 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:22,220 land we usually know it's gonna land i mean in advance 410 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,020 so i don't see any reason why we 411 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,680 we would not 412 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:30,740 have this conversation with the community before things happen so people can 413 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:39,020 started anyway there's a bit of the danger there because when you open up that 414 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:45,360 much you can really get bogged down by people who nitpick and i mean you 415 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,910 don't want to console have a discussion i mean is our project with is the 416 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:59,480 direction we're going when people complain there's a number of reasons behind why they complain 417 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,590 it's sort of strange just by the amount of people or complain is actually power 418 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:07,370 fairly small but 419 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:09,850 there are a lot and they're consistent 420 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,090 so 421 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,210 and yes and lot of don't use gonna because 422 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,780 they'll what i talk so this is comes from hours of conversations 423 00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:30,200 with these people i mean this is and this is by engaging and then i 424 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,410 find out that it's been they were angry backing gonna to 425 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,110 and they left that and they can see to get over the fact that 426 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:40,800 that 427 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,800 over the fact that somehow 428 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:45,440 they've been betrayed 429 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,390 i mean a lot of people who are complaining 430 00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:53,670 to be true but we only feel betrayed because nobody told you beforehand otherwise you 431 00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:57,810 wouldn't feel bit they betrayed that's what i'm saying down from the last couple of 432 00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:04,970 incidents that we have experienced i feel that people on com doll a lot after 433 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:11,480 the reasons where were exposed and that the russian all of our decisions what was 434 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,410 supposed on and they often filled more outraged by our lack of expulsion of those 435 00:33:17,410 --> 00:33:21,830 reasons of those does motivations and then by the actual removal of the feature they 436 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:26,050 can of course take it's always gonna happen but if and i think people tend 437 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:30,390 to forget faster if them the reasons are proposed 438 00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:38,440 so it's not always clear that the people using the group the people engage in 439 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,010 those are actually users a using or software 440 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:57,070 violating my on well i think you're right that there is there that does happen 441 00:33:57,070 --> 00:34:02,140 but i think what ryan was asking was more specific and not for you know 442 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:04,960 not for the people more in using you know and i think that might be 443 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,380 on it was sort of addressing you know that very same issue and i wonder 444 00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:12,120 is there something we can i mean i brought of the code of conduct because 445 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,310 that's something that the board has control over you know is there some way to 446 00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:22,720 build in some kinds of procedures that require you know you some process of documentation 447 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,940 whatever some something is impacted 448 00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:32,950 is it just me or is applicable we element materials to those to applaud doing 449 00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:34,310 homework properly 450 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:41,280 because they actually like of them like blog quite a lot unlike upcoming changes right 451 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,750 and i think it would be helpful to see similar things from under P developers 452 00:34:56,090 --> 00:35:03,110 so i agree like it's obviously good to get out i had of potentially controversial 453 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,400 decisions and to do kind of 454 00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:09,470 engage with people one making those decisions 455 00:35:10,330 --> 00:35:11,570 and 456 00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:17,740 there's always a lot more but we could be during and we could always be 457 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:18,380 better 458 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,630 that's 459 00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:24,290 you know this is a free software project 460 00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:26,090 people come here to have 461 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,240 to do good work 462 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,990 to feel empowered to be able to do something 463 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,350 and we don't have the kind of resources 464 00:35:37,830 --> 00:35:41,740 to do as much as we'd one i'd you know a custom get into this 465 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,490 to be public relations people 466 00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:49,380 they get into the to them and i think we should and central design is 467 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:52,200 an owl documentation writers and everyone else 468 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:59,360 and i mean really need is more marketing resources so that we have like dedicated 469 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,070 P L people who when they see like the there's a potential situation bring they 470 00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:04,540 can 471 00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:08,880 gonna get the story and talk to people and do all the work that's necessary 472 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,340 i mean this is what happens in companies right this is how companies manage public 473 00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:16,220 relations a lot discounts and the idea that 474 00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:24,030 this is just some kind of marketing problem you know there are decision making processes 475 00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:25,350 to consider as well but 476 00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:33,400 and then when we have kind of hate marketing people phone i'm the situations like 477 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,530 this are gonna arise i mean the market it seemed that we have a 478 00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:43,570 volunteers you know we have a limited amount of time we're not marketing professionals we 479 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:47,210 do what we can try to do that changing the name of the marketing to 480 00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:50,520 do you know from passion are how are you to that is it is something 481 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,960 like that it sounds like a really stay 482 00:36:54,110 --> 00:36:54,830 probably 483 00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:15,450 i mean that's generally what the product management comes and in some shape or form 484 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:16,090 of the 485 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:20,610 the some kind of liaison person and generally that's the role that i try to 486 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:23,610 perform right like so i mean you know 487 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,300 i'll i will just you know issues as the coming up and i know the 488 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:33,320 right kind of the people who are working closely with design and development know about 489 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,230 but then the question is what do you do about that because you know i'd 490 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:38,200 i don't think 491 00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:41,090 i think even if we did let the marketing team 492 00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:45,930 no i'm not entirely sure that we have the capacity to do much about 493 00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:01,940 well mean that's what we already do with like you know myself from the two 494 00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:04,420 years and draw everyone else something 495 00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:08,910 we know what's going on i mean the information is that 496 00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:19,510 so 497 00:38:24,490 --> 00:38:29,850 so what idea we could do is maybe work a little closer to release team 498 00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:34,330 released team would know the set of features everything else and they could give us 499 00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:35,020 a heads up 500 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,740 the release team has a very well defined like role in terms of not just 501 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:04,310 deciding also speeding release unless 502 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,630 the marketing that martin in paris and that's that 503 00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:12,440 i think what needs to happen is 504 00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:15,900 more people should follow their released 505 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:21,130 i mean marketing design everybody should follow there really is the 506 00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:27,270 not be on the release think that's that would be kind of pointless but 507 00:39:30,570 --> 00:39:36,160 they should follow mark do you think it this is the release things this magical 508 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:42,730 creature that lives in the forest and sometimes gets out of the forest and drops 509 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:50,240 a steaming pile packages for distributions to pick up and make like gold out of 510 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:50,840 it 511 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:56,960 i know that's why i'm not i 512 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,520 but D 513 00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:01,490 them 514 00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:08,190 it's not that mythical it's not it's a bunch of people actually running a bunch 515 00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:08,870 of scripts 516 00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:14,970 and fixing the issues that come up when building the collection projects days now 517 00:40:15,730 --> 00:40:22,320 they are human beings and they do human beings stuff so people should just talk 518 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,660 to them 519 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:28,620 read what they you're right in there you males it's not a high elevation so 520 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:33,870 it's sometimes it's english is sent english as well so it should be read 521 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,010 right 522 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:41,270 and people should just follow there is a mainly space with public archives people can 523 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:42,380 actually follow what happens 524 00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:46,160 so if you want to be involving the release the just 525 00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:52,250 paul the release stole then on actually i think it's a get suggestion evaluated 526 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:57,670 just i think princeton same inspiration so i have to follow 527 00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:01,180 in terms of 528 00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:05,100 what do i have to read all the commit so for tweaked or left to 529 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:08,510 follow all the projects that i think might remove features 530 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:14,830 in future and it's only like six projects so just follow them nautilus the shame 531 00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:21,050 a schema changes that ceilings demon controls in the in the mailing list of audio 532 00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:24,980 and you could of although i do sometimes wonderfully secret I R C channels and 533 00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:28,130 i'm not privy to that like it's not that much work 534 00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:36,310 so we did we did have a notion of doing week we but that somebody 535 00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:38,310 would do weekly reports of 536 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:42,490 what was going on various modules 537 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,780 that could be somebody wants to volunteer doing something like that would help a lot 538 00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:53,740 for a lot of us we need somebody who can mangle those mangle those things 539 00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:58,440 and maybe that's what we are can get volunteers for to do is to do 540 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,410 those reports 541 00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:00,770 right 542 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:06,120 and i just i just is that what we hear is that we need more 543 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,950 people fill in and please don roles and i'm just thinking and matt allen for 544 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:14,480 years ago when we were both a now way to grant can area so you 545 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,300 know in four years you can be alan and have chance if you know sorry 546 00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:26,610 if you start being a liaison between designers and marketing work between release team and 547 00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:31,310 marketing and we need more people fill in those roles and wanting to 548 00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:36,510 kinda you know is see what's going on and try to explain it we need 549 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:37,940 more people to communicate 550 00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:42,420 we we've got a little bit far away from and now i've been trying to 551 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:48,690 ask a question for a while but something happened about ten minutes ago i was 552 00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:52,190 talking about have the board has a role in setting the tone for the community 553 00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:55,860 influencing the culture and two members of the board in front of a room full 554 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:59,280 of people basically said that people who criticise you know or you can use it 555 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:07,580 but that's i mean i heard it industry and you use sort of implicitly agree 556 00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:10,450 that is a pretty radical interpretation of the subtext 557 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:13,330 and i think you're absolutely wrong 558 00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:18,480 but this is what i heard i mean that suddenly how i took it and 559 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,900 i think this is an attitude that pervades can home and i think it's to 560 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:29,600 our hazard we too often dismiss are our detractors what i what i actually i 561 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,760 i'm gonna stop line for myself because i actually said something like that but i 562 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,640 said we should we should let people criticise number even inside and out 563 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:44,640 but they should be mindful of their if they're in the can project they should 564 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:50,490 be mindful that their words reflect on the overall project so it should be very 565 00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:51,940 clear about 566 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,340 adding constructive criticism 567 00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:01,930 okay so 568 00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:08,480 i was going by people accurately wide-ranging okay so 569 00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:12,460 do you are telling me well okay so 570 00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:20,000 i had made a statement that lot of people who complain about gonna we're not 571 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,430 gonna music right i said that because 572 00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:32,390 did a lot of times where i do i mean the people like am i 573 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:38,500 engage them on a one to one basis and the number of forms so this 574 00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:42,080 is coming from an off the cuff remark this is 575 00:44:56,860 --> 00:45:03,320 right now okay show it's there's that's now i'm sorry i just repeating the questions 576 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,410 you know like and then trying to thing that there are people who are complaining 577 00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:08,640 who left now and who are users of them 578 00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:17,190 you know like classical saying like i'm so and read you because i want your 579 00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:24,500 rights and like i see you around doing but i still believe in thing we 580 00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:28,110 have to get it right so i mean i mean like if you if you 581 00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:34,320 are really happy then you are just indifferent right so actually the fusion abusive relationship 582 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,440 i don't want to phrase conversation all know in terms of that 583 00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:46,550 alright that is definitely not smile my intent i really don't 584 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,220 so no 585 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:50,500 so 586 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,570 okay so there's a subtlety and that whole argument about whether other people have the 587 00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:59,580 right to complain if they're not using a stopper 588 00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:03,910 that that's not my intention i'm not i'm not saying that others cannot 589 00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:06,860 complain about the project i take 590 00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:10,100 when people criticise a take everything 591 00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:14,750 i take everything seriously regardless whether there 592 00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:22,160 from gonna we're not it's because everybody is a potential returnees do right so 593 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:29,480 i'm just saying that when we're addressing problems that need to keep in mind that 594 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,430 some of them 595 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:36,530 it was specific to what are the honour was saying in the sense that when 596 00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:41,910 the air are boundary that and you're trying to have a conversation some of some 597 00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:44,520 of the conversation gonna have a sort of noise 598 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:51,110 because there is a set that haven't forgotten as i said i was tucker better 599 00:46:51,110 --> 00:46:54,500 and they are just doing to have no intention to come back or anything 600 00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:57,980 but they cannot seem to get past 601 00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:02,260 that part i and 602 00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:07,270 there is a subset like that there's in fact there's a lot of reasons why 603 00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:09,140 people dislike you know there's 604 00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:11,630 from a variety of reasons 605 00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:15,650 there's a class of people who dislike 606 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:19,090 you know because it's trying to be popular 607 00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:22,230 and it is just set of people who like 608 00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:25,500 having their own niche os 609 00:47:26,070 --> 00:47:27,630 and they want 610 00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:29,010 you keep it 611 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:31,100 for themselves 612 00:47:31,610 --> 00:47:36,170 in the same vein they don't like princes more women joining 613 00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:39,940 the movement in the same sort of thing it's their necks 614 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,050 this is what i've gleaned from 615 00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:46,840 having conversations with people like that 616 00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:48,110 it's sort of 617 00:47:48,970 --> 00:47:51,210 there's a certain psychosis and some of these 618 00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:53,130 so i'm not 619 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,750 i know i guess i can sorta i usually can tell what's valid 620 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,510 criticisms and what is not 621 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,840 which is one what is noise to some extent 622 00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:09,440 just because i've been doing it for 623 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,760 three years 624 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,130 three four years 625 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:18,840 so i do that personally because i know i am 626 00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,840 so when i'm when i'm when i'm out there doing it 627 00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:27,340 then things i say is said in a way that 628 00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:30,740 gives the impression they don't doesn't care 629 00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:32,300 whether 630 00:48:32,650 --> 00:48:34,940 unless you're user and i mean 631 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:36,820 the words are not set that way 632 00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:47,490 so the moment project all out here and the a been going to go out 633 00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:48,740 of for ten years 634 00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:49,840 and 635 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:56,320 i also use gnome by the time we had a F T P client embedded 636 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,250 in the panel 637 00:48:57,650 --> 00:49:02,020 we had to shell embedded in the panel i'm still hating you all removing my 638 00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:05,790 favourite feature all time by the way i'm not going to tell you want to 639 00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:07,420 also but you remove it 640 00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:18,140 but the back and that i we look around and had a pretty clear vision 641 00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:21,940 statement for the know what like gnome application walls what was supposed to do in 642 00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:22,890 the form of the egg 643 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,500 in the two point though there is it was pretty much the guiding 644 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,650 document of the whole project 645 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:35,260 what is can and then we got the three point though and we have a 646 00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:40,460 to have that interface that suppose to work and touchscreens that's supposed to is remove 647 00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:44,440 all the features and all the work on the three D graphics and so on 648 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,230 and we are 649 00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:51,780 why do you why do you think i'm not mention to here 650 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,360 but what i'm what i mean here is that 651 00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:58,920 we lost our mission statement 652 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,980 we lost the guiding light that others see what are we trying to do 653 00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:16,220 i think ambitions chinese pretty damned clear we should make an operating system or an 654 00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:17,280 environment that is 655 00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:22,440 that i full to use a joy to use for the uses and it's free 656 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,910 and it's open source 657 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,080 and it's 658 00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:26,290 and 659 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:31,340 it's a great user experience that is the mission has always been the mission i 660 00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:35,160 mean even gonna one point four we didn't make a project to 661 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:41,410 make it so hard any possible to users to use their computers because we need 662 00:50:41,410 --> 00:50:42,490 people use 663 00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:47,600 and we like to impose misery on the people that use hours i'm some anything 664 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,590 their hand thing 665 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,300 right 666 00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:58,060 so i from what i understand from various from various comments for the vice people 667 00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:03,420 there is that communication problem and there is a lot of a single person that 668 00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:05,240 could coordinate various teams 669 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,450 and you could in not impose but probably set a direction in the vision so 670 00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:16,080 should we allocate okay and we allocate some resources in the form of an office 671 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,950 L C your normal or something like that 672 00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:20,610 god 673 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,170 sorry 674 00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,140 project leader yes 675 00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:37,660 i don't i know i vote we bring chapel back and we have in like 676 00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:39,900 in the what we could ask mark 677 00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:47,790 i mean is already doing that for we can ask mark for the 678 00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:48,930 sorry 679 00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:53,160 but 680 00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:59,940 what should we nominate somebody days the sell well not the self appointed that 681 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,080 foundation appointed a benevolent dictator for life of them 682 00:52:08,050 --> 00:52:09,460 what would that was said that 683 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,540 who had the guts to say that i 684 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:14,780 you do 685 00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:19,210 i you don't wanna be or that a really don't 686 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,390 no i think that's not great idea at all i think 687 00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:26,680 it's 688 00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:32,510 it's good that we have various teams that are in bold in their specific areas 689 00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:34,550 they need to get better talking each other 690 00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:35,850 that's true 691 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,860 but that's it we shouldn't have one person that gives 692 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,910 okay so i i've been wanting to say a couple of things but the last 693 00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:47,580 question 694 00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:52,620 is related to one of things i wanted to say and it was you go 695 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:55,900 of there is but it what we have in this is what i was saying 696 00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:04,600 that lance right we have a communication problem namely we are communicating amongst ourselves someone 697 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,890 was saying i think was owl and that you know we are professional P R 698 00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:13,450 people but man i what can at our marketing team and they write a pretty 699 00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:17,730 darn professional and if we actually keep down in the loop and if we have 700 00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:21,760 to keep to police team i don't out alex to the really steamy the know 701 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,710 about model is removing that feature mister can your 702 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,340 so was that paid attention my question is that the release so i in the 703 00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:35,530 do some of the discussion was the release team you know 704 00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:40,690 if it the implication that a new say about the nautilus removal did you guys 705 00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:41,480 even know about that 706 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,950 but well these figuring out the mic thank the other thing i wanted to 707 00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:55,920 point to point out to respond to i think i think it was probably on 708 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,010 a set it but 709 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,270 you know i mean something that i've been thinking about for awhile like them really 710 00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:08,160 been thinking about it is i'm sitting here it's like okay so this happened maybe 711 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,980 after can online this definitely happened after can own to 712 00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:17,880 what we learned from that why do you can be number three this happened you 713 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:18,720 know it's like 714 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,770 it's we just keeps repeating itself so the next time we're gonna do you know 715 00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:26,780 when they don't for comes out this bloody well better not happen because we have 716 00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:30,690 been here you know it's like groundhog day that movie groundhog day when you wake 717 00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:36,290 up of thirty days the same stupid thing if we start all communicating now 718 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,770 we all keep all of us in the loop 719 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,000 and we can all be proactive instead of reactive would be known for comes out 720 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,830 this crap isn't gonna happen and if it does well that we learned from that 721 00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:50,010 and we're ready for you know five 722 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,140 but about that you dream some of the questions that about the least ensure that 723 00:54:56,140 --> 00:55:00,990 others to but you something like that is every from that is i mean well 724 00:55:00,990 --> 00:55:06,680 the reason we are having these specific questions is because last year the wrist in 725 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,190 where the one who will i be here 726 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,340 because an us some other people mention 727 00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:19,250 some people feel that the wrist is do more that they are doing right now 728 00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:24,930 but that's my only saying that so you use estranged analogy i is better you 729 00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:29,550 that i would like to see that there is can easily i tool i mean 730 00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:34,090 use yes like a smart well i will i would like to think that this 731 00:55:34,090 --> 00:55:37,660 has my will be messing i mean they hire 732 00:55:38,350 --> 00:55:39,550 the what they 733 00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:43,610 do is just basically compile all you know messed up 734 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:51,390 for example so there are a few to propose are period release teen doesn't aside 735 00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:55,410 i mean we are going to take these and these teachers is not like that 736 00:55:55,410 --> 00:55:59,420 if you to proposal i've sent to the best of better on the people talk 737 00:55:59,420 --> 00:56:04,500 and the release team stays on the meeting okay people say that it makes that 738 00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:06,360 there were a we should include 739 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,730 based on this feature or medium used 740 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,280 being a benevolent at all the raw and be sure that the tutors way on 741 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,750 them being people but we happy can people not the goals because we have a 742 00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:25,490 power we happy can be put because those people propose feature and the community approved 743 00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:30,280 that so in that sense i thought i read only that probably which try to 744 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,650 learn something from the past 745 00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:33,140 and 746 00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:38,890 i think that and sees use something that you don't to you know three i 747 00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:40,630 think that the people have the feeling that 748 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:47,350 listing half a lot of power because of these where am and don't gonna stumble 749 00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:52,840 the wrist in west estate apropos thing you know three saying but in the end 750 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,850 they just proposal that and they committed i with that but i'm saying is that 751 00:56:57,850 --> 00:57:01,490 wasting reason out at this is you on 752 00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:09,160 and decision team is just to ask 753 00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:13,100 i'm not talking about my opinion and my for something and i have we is 754 00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:16,090 and then i that in the end it would be about the idea to having 755 00:57:16,090 --> 00:57:17,510 a real all the role 756 00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:21,670 saying we still do that because in the end i mean we are talking about 757 00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:26,380 is our on the power decision these at that mine ten of time so i 758 00:57:26,380 --> 00:57:30,170 mean we have it would be something strange to say to them and then it 759 00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:33,530 just two that are used to that i think 760 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,220 so 761 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,960 we have or whatever 762 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,340 so we're as to what alan said before that you know we just here too 763 00:57:58,340 --> 00:58:02,380 hard i don't know i mean when i wanted to fix my first part i 764 00:58:02,380 --> 00:58:09,520 needed to learn about called guidelines and do presentation and you will see that and 765 00:58:09,980 --> 00:58:11,980 i mean the fact that we're now 766 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,630 professional P R people doesn't mean though we don't we shouldn't have better it right 767 00:58:20,910 --> 00:58:33,250 so i just for sort of do know each group's blue 768 00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:38,670 well 769 00:58:57,740 --> 00:58:58,020 for 770 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,920 but that's so far from each other 771 00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:05,990 you just don't 772 00:59:10,650 --> 00:59:14,540 in response to a one i mean i know what you're saying but it's not 773 00:59:14,540 --> 00:59:18,530 you and you and you and you when you it's we you and i think 774 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:23,110 that's at the team level there's not like this thousands of teams and you know 775 00:59:23,110 --> 00:59:27,810 if the teams at the team level start talking i think will make some progress 776 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:35,360 i sat suggestion and that mike are buying fee to highlight be communicators and to 777 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,700 actually draw attention to the people who are and you were trying to help and 778 00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:42,700 in this area and i think that's a good suggestion 779 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,460 does anybody want to move on to another question i think we've talked about this 780 00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:48,860 one or has a completely different point to make 781 00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:53,620 O C R 782 00:59:54,490 --> 00:59:58,890 i've been making not making a vision for your so it's probably want to or 783 00:59:58,890 --> 01:00:01,620 just projects that still a lot of 784 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:08,510 i don't think you know more do needs you know technical polishing it'll barely scheme 785 01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:12,440 or by you know someone policy at all it's it has to be the main 786 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,170 thing this thing zero we have had features 787 01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:20,250 it's probably not the maintenance what that it don't know how it works but it 788 01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:23,980 works because there are some still know some people around the world are using it 789 01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:28,370 so before you little a feature i think it's the maintainers rolled to take at 790 01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:32,770 that's been used are not you know your body about so coming from you know 791 01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:35,560 how you know the you sell this and all those things i think it should 792 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,620 be more based on that to take into addition i don't think about it or 793 01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:45,740 any other of policing from it at the least team auditorily any other team that 794 01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:47,220 so we should work and 795 01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:51,940 if F features been the writing it should be centralised to that more than instructing 796 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:55,440 you know a you know be known to the as a whole thing you know 797 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,110 that so i really see this 798 01:01:00,550 --> 01:01:01,110 anyway 799 01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:02,010 just 800 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,090 how are our meeting 801 01:01:10,030 --> 01:01:12,850 i was waiting for that ten any i 802 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:21,180 okay 803 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:27,300 thanks everybody for caring some i don't to stick around and i don't know no 804 01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:29,780 i just wanted to make a comment because i'm a naughty so that he thinks 805 01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:32,180 our mission statement is pretty clear and i think it's 806 01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:35,420 i don't think it is i think we have a very i mean saying we 807 01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:39,220 are providing a great experience for everyone is a very good draft and it gets 808 01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:43,350 of an overview of what we're trying to do but saying a great experience for 809 01:01:43,350 --> 01:01:48,330 users which users what users that it's pretty nice to say that we can please 810 01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:53,300 everybody in the world with one single experience so we cannot so we're definitely focusing 811 01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:57,230 in a certain kind of person and we might as well figured it's all together 812 01:01:57,230 --> 01:02:00,350 and great experiences a very broad term 813 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,310 we experience for want grey experience how and which way so i think there's a 814 01:02:06,310 --> 01:02:09,260 lot of gaps we need to fill and we have a as a basis but 815 01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:13,140 i mean i guess there's a lot gaps we need to fill it in needs 816 01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:14,560 to be needs to be 817 01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:18,730 okay 818 01:02:20,650 --> 01:02:24,410 there is a lot of things to define in that particular mission statement 819 01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:28,180 it's 820 01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:34,760 a mission statement should not be three pages long to detail word you are users 821 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:41,720 are or who they are not or how the experience should be the life for 822 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,410 a how it should not be delightful a 823 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,570 i think 824 01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:54,920 abroad mission statement is fine and as to be chiselled down on very specifically with 825 01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,700 the L for the marketing team or the average or whatever goals bowl by likeable 826 01:03:02,140 --> 01:03:07,740 and the release team and everybody else that works on them at a higher level 827 01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:11,590 than just a single mould you month and then as to be 828 01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:15,000 handled by each and every month in are in some way 829 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,840 so that's important 830 01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:18,140 but 831 01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:21,170 the mission statement can be attacked 832 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:33,190 that it we're gonna use this to fill the gaps how many people here were 833 01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:37,350 dissipate in a foundation sorry stingray meeting to discuss this further 834 01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:39,200 i would 835 01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:44,410 okay let's get this only the next piracy meeting of the foundation 836 01:03:45,790 --> 01:03:48,500 i think we should probably wrap this up and make sure that we have plenty 837 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:52,910 of worms going on throughout the year to discuss this should be only a lot 838 01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:57,050 of thing i mean we've got such a passion involved me i do you wanna 839 01:03:57,050 --> 01:04:03,350 and i that you know i want and on a slightly different note the board 840 01:04:03,350 --> 01:04:07,960 i mean every other week which i've been involved in as you guys know a 841 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,090 lot of nonprofit organisations 842 01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:14,910 this is the only one i know that is like this where the board wants 843 01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:19,730 to meet so often most boards that i've been involved with me like quarterly at 844 01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:20,270 most 845 01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:24,490 so every other week isn't seen it's a lot of work and so i just 846 01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:30,450 want to ask quickly in like one sentence or last what is it about can 847 01:04:30,450 --> 01:04:34,470 on that makes you think that it's worth serving on the board to meet every 848 01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:39,290 other weekend to you know be have to answer for the project in general 849 01:04:40,090 --> 01:04:41,900 select start at the centre this and 850 01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:46,690 the pressure community 851 01:04:49,030 --> 01:04:50,250 also the community 852 01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:53,170 a little you go so it's one 853 01:04:55,660 --> 01:04:58,780 now i feel like i need us shorts nor keep it these thing and i 854 01:04:58,780 --> 01:05:00,240 don't have wanted to be brief 855 01:05:01,890 --> 01:05:03,250 crying out 856 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,570 i'm way past a 857 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,970 B equal access to software information for everybody all over the world 858 01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:19,300 community no 859 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:27,750 it's worth it 860 01:05:31,950 --> 01:05:33,860 so them so who is the question videos 861 01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:43,110 i a 862 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:51,870 i have you can pretend of the organisation now you're in for and second term 863 01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:54,430 why do you spend your time doing it 864 01:05:56,830 --> 01:05:57,310 well so 865 01:05:58,310 --> 01:05:58,600 so 866 01:06:01,490 --> 01:06:06,600 i'm not i'm not sure it's gonna be very inspirational a sprays or something but 867 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,120 you know like somebody needs to do it writes 868 01:06:09,730 --> 01:06:12,110 someone needs to do i see 869 01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:19,840 there are so many other people that do like a lot of really hardcore development 870 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:25,250 but someone needs to do like to boring meetings but a phone meetings to but 871 01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:27,630 like long that 872 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:35,520 hi so for me it is the high standards and the friendly communities that i'm 873 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:41,010 proud to like introduce new people to and you know that we build in something 874 01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:42,990 that can reach a lot of people 875 01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:47,660 thank you are we should have these conversations all the time 876 01:06:48,050 --> 01:06:51,780 so will announce the next foundations i receive meeting please join us tell everybody else 877 01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:55,030 you wasn't here today that they should join the nist meeting about keep doing it 878 01:06:55,030 --> 01:06:56,060 thank you so much for coming