1 00:00:09,870 --> 00:00:13,250 i'm getting the feeling that have documentation it team is actually in this room right 2 00:00:13,250 --> 00:00:13,850 now 3 00:00:17,210 --> 00:00:21,330 so the docking station team has excess this for almost as long as the name 4 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:22,070 project 5 00:00:22,730 --> 00:00:27,950 came around and i know it's not with they may snow who were inspired by 6 00:00:27,950 --> 00:00:31,100 the red hat labs to write the contention for them 7 00:00:31,710 --> 00:00:35,950 and i turned out to be he happened to be really good that 8 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:40,510 and manage the process knowledge onto the rest of the community and that's how we 9 00:00:40,510 --> 00:00:43,010 ended up with a docking station team in the first place 10 00:00:43,980 --> 00:00:48,030 the month was passed from person to person for few years and eventually shown what 11 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:49,000 can send that out 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,480 dictator and two thousand three and this year will be his tenth anniversary of the 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:56,440 september 14 00:00:57,430 --> 00:01:01,510 and eventually we came to name three but that a definite i think three has 15 00:01:01,510 --> 00:01:02,040 a question 16 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:07,140 sean has millions 17 00:01:07,450 --> 00:01:08,990 and some of them are actually here 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,470 thank you got millions and he makes good use of us people so it's around 19 00:01:13,470 --> 00:01:14,260 all the time 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,970 who are the contention team well 21 00:01:19,540 --> 00:01:21,440 we don't really have a 22 00:01:23,610 --> 00:01:24,770 i know 23 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:27,260 E to do something about that 24 00:01:27,790 --> 00:01:28,790 it's not enough 25 00:01:33,210 --> 00:01:34,560 are you going to submit a patch 26 00:01:36,140 --> 00:01:36,580 today 27 00:01:40,210 --> 00:01:40,580 one 28 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:44,680 was a committed 29 00:01:47,660 --> 00:01:49,920 okay well that i forgot that france the first time 30 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:55,080 i was just think that from memory and there are actually we have about 31 00:01:55,690 --> 00:02:01,620 fifty applications that we maintain documentation for on the top of that we have developer 32 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:07,610 documentation the system administrator guys at actually no single person can really keep track of 33 00:02:07,610 --> 00:02:10,260 all of that which is probably why i missed your patch 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,140 and we don't have a formal team structure we have shown results 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,580 and then we have all of us to do all the work 36 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:25,060 and the we have members who are native english speakers we have people who are 37 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:31,630 not everyone has something to contributes we have over the last year we had twenty 38 00:02:31,630 --> 00:02:34,120 five notable contributors 39 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,320 seven of whom made significant contributions to lots and lots of projects 40 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,980 we have 41 00:02:44,650 --> 00:02:49,030 we actually take most of intense for that speech program we have five mentors for 42 00:02:49,030 --> 00:02:55,030 willing to mentor intense cordless on the name of page we actually taken things outside 43 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:57,800 of the program as well but is less formally so 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,780 and that was four years we actually have twelve intense for whom i with us 45 00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:05,530 today in this room and up 46 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:08,710 there we go for 47 00:03:09,650 --> 00:03:14,640 and six of us and now foundation numbers which i think is actually pretty successful 48 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,690 i think we've done really well 49 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:28,620 so we're as we came along we decided welsh on the slide that side he 50 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:32,820 wanted to improve the user documentation and experience for users 51 00:03:33,470 --> 00:03:38,590 so previously i can and two minutes of the help was written in top or 52 00:03:38,590 --> 00:03:42,820 which is really good for developer help but not actually so good for user help 53 00:03:42,820 --> 00:03:48,810 because the first thing you see when you look at the dot book how a 54 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:51,760 double help is just a blank page with an index 55 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,400 that's not really very useful 56 00:03:54,170 --> 00:03:57,800 i don't help was also written and the hierarchical 57 00:03:59,310 --> 00:04:03,080 a structural and focus on 58 00:04:03,770 --> 00:04:05,660 describing the user interface 59 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:10,200 and actually who wants to read through a description of the user interface to find 60 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,510 out how to achieve some 61 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,040 and you want 62 00:04:14,510 --> 00:04:15,630 okay the lakers 63 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:16,650 so 64 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:21,900 with names three because the user interface change too much between them two and three 65 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:27,830 and also may of applications change we choose to rewrite the hell in model at 66 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:33,410 which was which is next the mel languages which was designed by sean specifically for 67 00:04:33,410 --> 00:04:34,180 user help 68 00:04:34,630 --> 00:04:37,010 it when you look a lot of help i mean you will to talk will 69 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:38,470 help it looks very different 70 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:41,220 it's much more task oriented 71 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:44,260 so wanna use a reason to help they 72 00:04:44,770 --> 00:04:47,290 generally have like they have something they want to achieve 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,790 they look at the user help and they find how to achieve that so instructions 74 00:04:51,790 --> 00:04:53,470 how to achieve something rather than 75 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:55,710 have the user interface 76 00:04:57,270 --> 00:05:01,980 and thus as i mentioned this to we have a team members from all over 77 00:05:01,980 --> 00:05:06,970 the world we tend to write in simple english because firstly it's easier to translate 78 00:05:06,970 --> 00:05:10,580 saintly and you want all or nothing you want but may people find it much 79 00:05:10,580 --> 00:05:15,200 easier to write and actually many people find it much easier to understand as well 80 00:05:15,820 --> 00:05:20,530 and as it turns out it's pretty important because actually user help is not translated 81 00:05:20,530 --> 00:05:25,720 very well i we don't have very many translations as you can see from them 82 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,750 to name three there has not been much change 83 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:36,100 most of the user hell translations so it's under ten percent translate that i'm sorry 84 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:40,770 most languages the user help is translate the on the simpsons we use help translate 85 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:46,340 that we have had only one language consistently translated to be nine percent if i'd 86 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:50,260 almost a hundred percent at every release and that the spanish 87 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:52,860 so we really appreciate that 88 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:56,820 and would be great if we can somehow encouraged translators to 89 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:58,590 actually translate the user 90 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,070 i'll tell you why that's important and that's 91 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:06,140 so our users we 92 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,760 have a lot of users gently they're not people who are sitting in this room 93 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,570 that help is designed for people who actually don't know how to use application at 94 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:15,960 all 95 00:06:16,590 --> 00:06:18,890 all people who have used for many years 96 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,680 and we still get it's all useful for people who are here for example if 97 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,430 the user interface changes and something you can find some 98 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:31,710 "'cause" the user help well that you will find out that or maybe it's a 99 00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:32,590 speech which has been 100 00:06:33,250 --> 00:06:35,170 okay i have everything 101 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:37,540 so we can't actually track 102 00:06:38,010 --> 00:06:44,010 who reads the desktop help which are construct who reads what they find useful what 103 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:45,350 they didn't find useful 104 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:54,850 the best reviews we gets are actually from translators because they often file bugs within 105 00:06:54,850 --> 00:06:56,690 seven days of documents 106 00:06:57,550 --> 00:07:02,410 so which is really high because that's long before release usually so we can actually 107 00:07:02,410 --> 00:07:06,110 fix things i mean within the team we have a review process as well where 108 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:09,660 in the hell will normally be reviewed by three different people 109 00:07:11,530 --> 00:07:16,580 on the other hand users germany and get the runt reporting box six months after 110 00:07:16,580 --> 00:07:21,070 the release which can be up to a year after the page was right 111 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:26,240 and this means that so very often by the time they report the but either 112 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,770 the U I has changed an application the help as being very rewritten 113 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,300 or the problem has already been fixed 114 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:38,600 and if it's and mastery germany but sometimes 115 00:07:39,060 --> 00:07:42,110 they might not actually be able to get the fixed without suppression 116 00:07:42,980 --> 00:07:45,910 if they might have to actually with another six months to see the fix 117 00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:48,390 which isn't very user friendly 118 00:07:49,980 --> 00:07:55,100 thanks to hundred every we have actually recently being able to try are uses on 119 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:58,520 like we don't know about or which has proven to be really handy 120 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,250 as you can see a it's a particularly good so i've got but you can 121 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:06,140 see the trends and so what that shows 122 00:08:06,610 --> 00:08:09,160 is the blue line is unique that's 123 00:08:10,530 --> 00:08:15,620 the magenta is unique page fees and the yellow is all each fees on average 124 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:20,250 we get approximately six thousand unique page views a date which is much more than 125 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:25,090 many of the other and then website this by the way covers a user hell 126 00:08:25,090 --> 00:08:28,020 and developer help and the system administrator guide 127 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,960 and as you can see the trend shows that so 128 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:40,600 we have the most page views on weekdays and that implies that so many of 129 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,910 our users for beating the websites are doing so at or rather than 130 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,520 which is quite surprising i was actually expecting for most of our users to be 131 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,120 using to be reading the help 132 00:08:51,770 --> 00:08:52,840 but that's not the case 133 00:08:58,050 --> 00:08:59,440 yes when there's nothing on T V 134 00:09:00,550 --> 00:09:07,190 and actually along with that's what we found was that the spanish translations all the 135 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:12,360 user help i've been bred much more often than the ritual use help and this 136 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,020 is why translations are importance 137 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:20,490 eight out of the top ten read pay most read pages between the user help 138 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:23,200 and the developer documentation happiness five 139 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:26,520 a forced now she's is 140 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:32,430 so that if you pay a few waste that 141 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:38,590 developers and designers can actually help us improve the help before the release 142 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,540 because of course we always want to provide the best hope that we can for 143 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:43,330 users 144 00:09:44,890 --> 00:09:51,080 so for example designer a applications gonna have tool tips because 145 00:09:51,410 --> 00:09:54,800 a button does hasn't in icon so know text 146 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:57,900 then it's very difficult for us to describe 147 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:04,990 and we also need to talk about how to interact with the user interface and 148 00:10:04,990 --> 00:10:09,110 will help of design is actually try to top themselves through is as well because 149 00:10:09,110 --> 00:10:13,620 if they're not able to describe how user should be interacting with a specific button 150 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:17,050 or label then we probably quantity there 151 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,700 so you know they can come talk us or even just come up with a 152 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,350 way to describe it themselves 153 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,260 and i will help us quite a lot 154 00:10:26,390 --> 00:10:28,930 and as for developers and 155 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:34,520 we do try to keep on top of user help on them and time and 156 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,000 have it done time for the releases 157 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,880 but sometimes you know we don't know about the changes 158 00:10:40,430 --> 00:10:41,430 or 159 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:46,260 we can't actually test the latest application easily so we might need help just building 160 00:10:46,260 --> 00:10:46,830 it even 161 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:51,820 so that we can see the what it should look like and whether they have 162 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:55,170 been any changes so please file bugs against the have dogs 163 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:58,510 well then when there you i changes problem when there 164 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:05,090 the application starts working differently when the user get something back from application that is 165 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:06,310 not what they used to get 166 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:08,200 so that we can update the help 167 00:11:09,260 --> 00:11:13,770 and of course there are some applications which don't this the their shoulder functionality to 168 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:18,620 the user through the user interface X for example there sometimes hidden shortcuts which are 169 00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:19,390 mentioned anywhere 170 00:11:20,490 --> 00:11:25,100 but still also not good there so it was really help if when your body's 171 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:28,190 so when we were documenting application just come talk to us 172 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,560 tell us what we should be looking at 173 00:11:31,690 --> 00:11:32,650 that really helps 174 00:11:33,390 --> 00:11:38,590 of course as we document your application we will do a full user in a 175 00:11:38,590 --> 00:11:44,620 your i review and usability testing we will actually go for your application 176 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,470 and we will try to use it as we normally what i tried to use 177 00:11:49,470 --> 00:11:51,440 of how other people like you said 178 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:53,950 and the average we find 179 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:58,910 ten or twenty bucks and they application give application what we do that even if 180 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:01,550 nothing has changed in a few months 181 00:12:02,590 --> 00:12:06,380 so we will tested for you said do last customer help for it 182 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:16,530 so the moments we are working on developer documentation and the platform overview effort is 183 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:18,820 being but by for the tickle who is over here 184 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:20,120 make sure gonna see 185 00:12:25,510 --> 00:12:29,340 it's a an area which has been neglected someone and this 186 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:31,760 desperately need of more work 187 00:12:32,740 --> 00:12:37,640 we are restructuring the platform overview almost from scratch 188 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:44,590 have we have new review pages and we will be integrating some of the developer 189 00:12:44,590 --> 00:12:46,130 documentation into it 190 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:51,450 so we always we always need help with that so if you have to help 191 00:12:51,450 --> 00:12:54,540 that's just come find that's where having it at a 192 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:59,490 i have has so on a for the help so we have implementation i sorry 193 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:03,630 about the documentation that we're have this for next week and also the system administrator 194 00:13:03,630 --> 00:13:10,250 guide the guy the system illustrated right hasn't had much love sense 195 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:11,940 before and it three 196 00:13:12,390 --> 00:13:16,800 so well to have our system administrators would want to 197 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:23,700 manage their users has changed and the at the moment there is very little documentation 198 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:24,440 about this 199 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:26,910 there's something a few things on the we key 200 00:13:27,710 --> 00:13:32,210 so that's what the other every at that were currently focusing on and that there 201 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:36,270 and there are who's doing that there are helping out with that 202 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:38,570 huh 203 00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:45,080 and also we have been so busy making sure that all the application help as 204 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,660 up to date that we have slightly neglected our startup guide 205 00:13:48,930 --> 00:13:51,680 the sell that this document which basically 206 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,420 helps a newcomers to the docking station team learn how to 207 00:13:57,750 --> 00:14:01,510 right the hell which turned to use which vocabulary to use 208 00:14:02,290 --> 00:14:03,110 and grammar 209 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:04,990 and turns 210 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:10,510 all sorts but that's been a bit neglected because we in concentration on the user 211 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:14,440 help so that something about we would like to get on some time soon as 212 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,130 we are 213 00:14:15,450 --> 00:14:20,880 all those the almost then we have or specially writing these are help all of 214 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,990 these are hope and mallard and almost all that's up to date now 215 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,550 it's actually gotten to the point where it's quite difficult to find you projects for 216 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:31,090 instance two documents 217 00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:34,180 so when i'm with you want to make sense from nothing to P 218 00:14:35,950 --> 00:14:40,080 just like to say a big thank you to brian and rate who have provided 219 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,480 us with a lot of help and tech support when it came to the system 220 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,630 administrator's guide 221 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:48,660 they're the people who wrote the tools so we want the last for the help 222 00:14:48,660 --> 00:14:50,470 and they have been very receptive 223 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:52,830 give us a lot of advice 224 00:14:53,450 --> 00:14:58,390 and that means that we've actually what we have pretty so far as accurate precise 225 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,810 and it's easy to understand 226 00:15:02,660 --> 00:15:08,300 a question has proven to be a very basically the best developer to work with 227 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:12,880 a typical what cindy here has support will start talking to him 228 00:15:13,230 --> 00:15:16,020 as she was writing the user help for the terminal 229 00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:21,770 and he was very receptive to improving the U R E and the 230 00:15:23,260 --> 00:15:28,220 basically he provided support when we do that and what station with of the top 231 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:28,590 that's 232 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,400 they has been very helpful that's a writing tech support that are happens 233 00:15:35,650 --> 00:15:37,880 which we have needed at the last happens we had 234 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,300 three out of about eight laptops die on of 235 00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:42,710 in the first day 236 00:15:43,410 --> 00:15:44,170 that was fun 237 00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:47,020 under 238 00:15:48,070 --> 00:15:48,580 i that 239 00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:56,400 he's also be very patient with our intense and sneak comments as being great yes 240 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,050 you have 241 00:15:58,410 --> 00:15:59,640 there are beyond a 242 00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:04,420 and same for a them adam has 243 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,690 actually gone so far as to what for instance through submitting there will potential entrants 244 00:16:10,690 --> 00:16:13,350 for that speech problem three submitting the first batches 245 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:20,390 and debugging their problems when trying to build applications that takes a lot of dedication 246 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:22,930 so a big thank you to adam as well 247 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:28,330 so having a few more talks at one thing about the conditions there is one 248 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:34,690 later today i about by getting started videos which are what you see the first 249 00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:37,690 time you want to your user account your name user account 250 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,590 so he's giving a presentation at six P M today 251 00:16:42,810 --> 00:16:48,490 i like i like talk i think and the pattern twisting right there 252 00:16:48,860 --> 00:16:52,890 it's going to be talking about what we've been doing with the developer documentation over 253 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:58,410 the last two years market was an outreach program that one well you started you 254 00:16:58,410 --> 00:16:59,940 have your associates last year 255 00:17:00,350 --> 00:17:04,500 but that covers what is a tiffany started on before that 256 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:09,330 and that's will eventually be integrated with the classroom overview which for that includes working 257 00:17:09,330 --> 00:17:14,160 on so martin stop it's the more at four if you're interested sorry that to 258 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,700 them are to in this room if you're interested and developer documentation do problem that's 259 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:24,420 what she has to say and then join us for the developer documentation had this 260 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:25,220 next week 261 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:31,320 so we're having a developer documentation well i'm sorry hard as for the whole week 262 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,280 and we're also having a system administrator's guide had this for the whole week and 263 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:40,250 all that we got the both with some international is a dish of people from 264 00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:44,880 that centralisation team will help us i hope make it's easier to write tell 265 00:17:45,370 --> 00:17:49,790 for translators well make it easier for translations to translate that help 266 00:17:52,090 --> 00:17:55,430 so that's i think that's all i've got to say for the last year 267 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:58,790 you know the question i don't people have lots of questions 268 00:17:59,890 --> 00:18:00,210 awesome 269 00:18:03,740 --> 00:18:09,940 no use also to you want you know if you know use you should also 270 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:18,910 i think that there are some companies that are using it instead of the 271 00:18:19,660 --> 00:18:22,450 but there aren't any major use out of it outside 272 00:18:23,140 --> 00:18:29,610 we have well she'll have spoken to katie to see they would use 273 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,470 what if you could write something similar to yell it for them to use and 274 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:39,380 for them to use my lights a friendly lot of the data help but i 275 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:41,090 just five minutes i think i'm thinking 276 00:18:44,830 --> 00:18:49,590 so i have a question after every release 277 00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:56,100 what sort of testing goes like remote versus the tutorials and things like that make 278 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:56,930 sure that 279 00:18:57,940 --> 00:19:00,010 they still work against 280 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,400 this is that don 281 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:09,320 prior to release or i mean we try to do all testing before the release 282 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,680 but what if like me and i stuff so we are actually 283 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:16,110 we didn't get the developer documentation testing done 284 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:18,450 because we don't have that people to do that 285 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,960 that's why save anyone's interest and all the documentation we really very needy 286 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:26,040 so if i can help you with that 287 00:19:26,340 --> 00:19:28,710 i have 288 00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:34,420 i think this is some sort of this is a function of 289 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:39,890 outreach your marketing team in which we can ask you can mediate march two 290 00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:45,240 i can people do that especially things like tutorials work that can that can easily 291 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,950 be done 292 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,970 the one is that you have to have image 293 00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:56,920 that we there could do test so that we can that least even or something 294 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,490 provides an image 295 00:19:58,850 --> 00:20:00,180 prior to release 296 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,320 and then 297 00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:07,400 actually so i would be really great if you could that once that actually happens 298 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,090 and as far as i understand austria will help us actually do that that's thing 299 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:19,350 once that what's because more mature and that's true for translations to translated 300 00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:21,790 documentation 301 00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:27,780 i think we buy documentation all the go always we don't have documentation freezes because 302 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:31,400 we don't have enough people to actually be able to finish it sometime for free 303 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,210 we might be for the could mean we might be a good 304 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:39,320 so i thought should indicate how much spare time we have for testing 305 00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:42,930 but we do try to test and we do make sure that's what we actually 306 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:46,790 might we get for if you saw problem within the team and of course if 307 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:50,510 anyone else falls about we always say patches welcome if you want to help us 308 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:51,520 what we fix it 309 00:20:52,810 --> 00:20:56,120 okay all right so i'll so we do it 310 00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:58,340 thanks for helping 311 00:21:04,790 --> 00:21:05,530 have like here 312 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:17,060 i so you mention that so you have interns to do documentation i guess that 313 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:21,740 is problem with documentation as much as with many other non cutting tasks the if 314 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:25,500 you want to be sponsors low paid over there you want to call it to 315 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:29,410 do any of this work the average for women is really the only thing that's 316 00:21:29,410 --> 00:21:34,850 available do you see that changing going for those of any chance of some money 317 00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:40,230 from elsewhere to get people plates right augmentation to be on is probably not because 318 00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:43,020 most people don't seem to care about age 319 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:45,080 it's anything users that you 320 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,240 we have another marketing i think 321 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:52,320 i mean it would be 322 00:21:52,790 --> 00:21:56,920 i added that most of i need like and the dock station team has been 323 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,670 found outreach program and half of our team it's female happens now which is very 324 00:22:01,670 --> 00:22:03,820 usual for and i suppose project 325 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:10,050 have we have actually had who knew man train it is anything 326 00:22:10,850 --> 00:22:15,990 i think that i think it's becoming very out features and it and i would 327 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:20,970 actually love to see new members join for not 328 00:22:22,580 --> 00:22:23,920 i think that bring a lot 329 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:32,870 so about the fact that we say is that a lot of people do 330 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,070 think documentation is important 331 00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:41,990 so from my perspective documentation is right now 332 00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:44,560 my number one focus i 333 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,080 so 334 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:52,580 comes out of this if you are trying to learn the platform are trying to 335 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:56,150 try to 336 00:22:56,670 --> 00:22:58,800 do the code samples or things like that 337 00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:05,530 the documentation is this your only guide to actually writing and now 338 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:10,640 and if you don't have to a let me give you an example so if 339 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,330 you want to write a java script that 340 00:23:12,790 --> 00:23:15,220 everything is we have is just 341 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,240 generated by you know G T K to or you know five O G attic 342 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,820 introspection 343 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,920 we don't if you don't there there's no context and start which you have nothing 344 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,430 that says this is how you're right one in java script from you need a 345 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:35,560 loop you know that you need to do they need to do that that's 346 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,750 part of java script so if you're we can warrior and you only have time 347 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:46,090 to do it like myself they're gonna be very frustrated very quickly 348 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:55,280 and how we get pumped by other everybody else because are documentation is poor and 349 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,380 we're expected to read the code i don't i don't want to read 350 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:01,500 i wanna see documentation 351 00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:06,910 we also need more people we just want people to like that made one developers 352 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:10,650 who are willing to write that station or just people but it's not good 353 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:13,170 so for me as a brand 354 00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:14,900 it affects the right 355 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:17,950 so and that's how i look at 356 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,800 i happens that that's the number of people who have been looking for documentation well 357 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,690 what occupation right and their application 358 00:24:27,870 --> 00:24:32,830 i have actually just coupled for and they found out there helpless way which isn't 359 00:24:32,830 --> 00:24:36,000 ideal we of course always you want to provide documentation 360 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,070 but unless we actually have more manpower to do it i don't think it who 361 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:44,400 is like we do have me back to see if there is obviously working on 362 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,350 the development innovation we've done some what we have a have a lot more 363 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:50,580 where we are finished 364 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,400 first you know the structure of structural thing you about the documentation we just need 365 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:57,690 for 366 00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,450 they 367 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:04,310 okay 368 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:05,640 she's 369 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:08,540 where is 370 00:25:09,380 --> 00:25:09,920 the 371 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:16,930 still when i was doing the outreach program from and a internship i fell a 372 00:25:16,930 --> 00:25:22,930 lack of documentation to do right documentation that's what the style guide this for still 373 00:25:22,930 --> 00:25:26,960 i so i dutifully went and looked up the style i like to write out 374 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,850 of print and you know slapped on it but i don't at and i didn't 375 00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:39,150 hear commence interviews that is outdated and so you have in place a style guide 376 00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:44,930 that you recommend to read and it is outdated so my question is why are 377 00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:47,140 two guys working here 378 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:50,200 because we've got too much today 379 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:56,030 what i don't know hire right now we had solved on the last year 380 00:25:56,750 --> 00:26:00,060 and then we don't have anyone interested enough to do it i was actually going 381 00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:01,870 to right that's myself 382 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:07,050 four months ago i think but then some other projects came up and i but 383 00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:10,090 i hope for the since that so for example i chose to write that this 384 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:11,680 me helps the writing style guide 385 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:13,310 it's just that 386 00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:19,270 we don't as i each individual the T basically a team works as individuals rather 387 00:26:19,270 --> 00:26:23,640 than the whole team unless where it had passed in which case we just put 388 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,190 all are written to one thing and we go out that i will get done 389 00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:31,790 is jennings and to work on what interests ourselves 390 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,970 rather than what 391 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:40,350 interest what specific people might want it was we take requests and that's why we 392 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:43,520 fix but we still say twelve about we will fix them 393 00:26:45,550 --> 00:26:51,990 still the cheapest i described widgets right me basically how you can what object is 394 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:56,520 and how you describe it in your documentation and seems with a the release of 395 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,220 G D get to be in you know on the applications using a the new 396 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:04,450 G T K tree lot so we just have changed and those do you don't 397 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:09,440 need a you know a G D B which is not right and she and 398 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,660 how are newcomers to see educations only great and you get supposed to describe this 399 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,120 generally we recommend that they be at the moment like i just finished that if 400 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,880 you know and we recommend that they be that if you know because that's actually 401 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,810 a good example what help should like 402 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:29,820 and describe based on that but there's where using for them three applications are still 403 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:31,030 somewhat flocks 404 00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:36,180 for example empathy was are flagship document the project 405 00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:42,410 three years ago now that is somewhat outdated because we have actually able are the 406 00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:47,970 style of motivation has a fall down through this i think it has improve we 407 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:53,010 had fewer what we took into account the feedback from users based on what they 408 00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:58,770 found confusing and so i would and that will keep evolving process evolving for some 409 00:27:58,770 --> 00:27:59,750 time to come 410 00:28:00,590 --> 00:28:05,580 but it's at the moment we on our project patient the what can we say 411 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:09,310 which is our application to look at four 412 00:28:09,550 --> 00:28:10,470 and user help 413 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:16,170 for developer documentation we don't have a specific style guide at all 414 00:28:16,930 --> 00:28:19,190 because that is still being developed 415 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:25,890 and the if you actually go read was already there but that's not to the 416 00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:26,160 full 417 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,660 so i've just one ones so 418 00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:36,110 at the data that a still by the time for women and when i it 419 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:39,780 you have a language that is why it's not you know what is going on 420 00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:44,340 with the documentation team and what is a place that i list doesn't have any 421 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:47,230 of this stuff that you're working on i mean you know what is propose the 422 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:52,010 system admin guy that the guy and usually there's you could very a quest for 423 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:55,280 the system administrator right there is a purpose for that well right there are a 424 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,620 separate pages from the application help there 425 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,080 three cost less and then there are links to sell it to the documentation could 426 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,730 perhaps that G D V saturday included in the tasks for the thousand the page 427 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:12,070 it okay cool i'll 428 00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:30,780 okay so two things one sort of report to your home 429 00:29:33,330 --> 00:29:34,550 and one about trees 430 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,590 so it's not the 431 00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:43,640 it's just something to help your rights documentation 432 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,250 if you use emacs 433 00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:51,030 emacs is really good for everything X M L based 434 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:52,290 documentation 435 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,570 and i started a little project called you know emacs you kills 436 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,400 it's my blog 437 00:29:58,370 --> 00:30:01,630 it's basically you download at it's model 438 00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:04,570 you are installed you tell emacs about it 439 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:06,790 has a condition have to do that 440 00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:12,000 i mean what it does is basically every time you open a model are documents 441 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,650 in emacs 442 00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:15,730 it's kind of the model are X M L schema 443 00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:21,620 and you have tab completion for the available tax at any point in 444 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:27,110 in your document so you know if you are inside of that patience have a 445 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:28,200 section inside of 446 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840 paragraph people tell you a key right here you can put you know 447 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:39,070 all emphases or a reference to another thing more linked another it is very nice 448 00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:40,220 it's very useful 449 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,570 so we need style but we definitely nist i would i 450 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,920 well you know when i started writing documentation a 451 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:11,630 that was when we used a cool and the hope is this immense ocean of 452 00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:12,260 tax 453 00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:14,200 and 454 00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:18,420 emacs really help me there at least you know what i could do at any 455 00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:21,040 point in time or at any point in the document 456 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:23,380 and you know i had 457 00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:27,260 for that specific case you know that will pass 458 00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:31,460 like i don't know nine different types of lists 459 00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:35,050 one aside my fleece order these variable least 460 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,800 list of 461 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:41,190 this and that kind of thing and even if you get it wrong the first 462 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:41,780 time 463 00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:46,150 once you have the content in their it is really easy to change the least 464 00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:49,310 i and the sub element types to something else 465 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,950 you know so 466 00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:57,190 don't be afraid of using the wrong elements type because someone later look at it 467 00:31:57,190 --> 00:32:00,640 and say you know you should be using this one instead and it's really change 468 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,310 but it's getting the content written but these hard part 469 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:09,620 just in response to send it's actually very similar with my learns you have for 470 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:15,760 example steps for lists which i think steps and the lists we just for the 471 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,870 list of items terms for the vision turns 472 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,010 and that's what's in a similar way 473 00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:24,910 and the point the whole point so well how to hold a part of the 474 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:30,220 point of using mallard was the tax should be relatively self expiring three 475 00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:35,280 so as you type it as you write something you should be based on to 476 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,740 get some steps and get some steps and steps why want to show an example 477 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:42,350 and then you just use an example tag 478 00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:53,010 and this is all fine i mean but that's not personally not only concern what 479 00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:59,430 i'm saying it's a i I G some kinder now and i am i've done 480 00:32:59,430 --> 00:33:06,310 some small features for this that gets clients "'cause" but and down they are they're 481 00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:09,630 using a lot of me which it some G T K tree and i had 482 00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:13,320 that i never seen them before i mean these they're very new show there is 483 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,730 like G D G T K had of are now i have for someone who 484 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:21,700 is waiting documentation for this like let's look let's go back and look from and 485 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,850 you'll be point of view of how will how will they describe our how will 486 00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:29,610 they know what's ahead of our do they maybe that person thinks okay this is 487 00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:33,170 the top but are is not think of the same thing i had to the 488 00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:38,340 developer documentation actually requires prior there is that we have it you have to know 489 00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:39,770 what you're describing 490 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:46,650 so you have to actually develop the call that were or what about right you 491 00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:48,140 should vision for you 492 00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:54,950 i mean you really so that's where most are still have a little overview a 493 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,230 whole different parts from this 494 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,520 thank you or would have time to recruit these or 495 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,850 both kinds of things and then we can start looking for from that we get 496 00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:11,540 this is a some advices ripping right there is a cell phones and also and 497 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:18,500 they what's to say something so file i guess say what's missing something also start 498 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:23,620 let's about is it is a problem recently if you're interested will actually go for 499 00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:29,220 the presentation about something you would sort of in detail but reputations and of course 500 00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:33,600 all these things which recovering so if you could to discuss redevelopment vision that which 501 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,700 recovery you will see this thing so that even visually created an idea some of 502 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:41,750 the new features that you might want to be looking at but at some things 503 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:45,750 that you know somebody we started documentation now we don't know the documentation is supposed 504 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:50,010 to be we have low entry barrier and you're taking people who don't have a 505 00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:54,470 fourteen experience so it's like a chicken any problem you want to know that of 506 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:59,030 the documentation exist that these are like really new people so they don't hope for 507 00:34:59,030 --> 00:35:03,760 salvation is not really intended for self is that you maybe you have to know 508 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,220 what they're doing show it is it is a requirement that you need to specify 509 00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:11,590 probably a on the page before you know people line 510 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:18,910 we have people contributing not very good outreach program and we actually there is 511 00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:22,470 really have very many what with this year we have a have a and that's 512 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:26,450 what about the documentation we had that we currently out there for the user helping 513 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:30,810 you to use a help as well last year we had four and there is 514 00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:35,500 for developer documentation they to start from scratch so i think it's to them along 515 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:36,980 a lot of time to get up to speed 516 00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:41,120 i have martin can probably say something about that if some parts her microphone 517 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:04,220 i am working i'm trying to work on that 518 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,420 on something that you might like 519 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:10,770 it's the it's a 520 00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,720 you something can there is the door you know 521 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:16,040 so far it's just for 522 00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:17,770 dig a 523 00:36:18,370 --> 00:36:19,100 i would like 524 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:26,590 to have something like that to for other libraries the i'm working on the one 525 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:27,580 for by then 526 00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:36,400 mad for the market is upstairs because we i might for the is working on 527 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,430 something similar for javascript 528 00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:45,520 and actually my talk tomorrow about this project 529 00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:49,200 so i are you getting to be talking about how you actually started right to 530 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,050 help us and you come right yes 531 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,720 issue becoming 532 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:57,020 that's good that's good for me irina 533 00:36:57,580 --> 00:36:59,640 and i think sites also have on site 534 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,520 okay 535 00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:10,100 i just i something what's in the say as and things that need of more 536 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:14,580 documentation on the B P a one of things that i have some but depending 537 00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:17,780 on but then one of these is to do with experiments you i am hoping 538 00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:22,050 that should i wouldn't want in here don't getting that we use because i as 539 00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:26,620 well you know some stuff one experiment you i interviewed use but i think it's 540 00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:29,330 more to do it the fact that they're not 541 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:36,090 i don't we're going to be because i had like use experiment us but mine 542 00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:38,440 as for one of the but then it still don't know how to 543 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:39,770 and i 544 00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:44,080 couldn't really find documented and you know stuff on the big on this or maybe 545 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,440 i haven't been can probably 546 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,250 well 547 00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:49,930 if it's not there 548 00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:51,570 thank you can out that 549 00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:56,210 it should actually right that the patient i'm you know i'm just seen that i 550 00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:59,340 might don't know how to experiment un 551 00:38:00,090 --> 00:38:06,300 in i okay so for start but it's not that we key we did not 552 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,220 have any documentation about that 553 00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:13,910 the location for that is on the project about website 554 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:18,160 and there is some degradation about that but it's still 555 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,440 okay by than a space it's really as experimental we don't know which way will 556 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,330 get better does a lot of work with that 557 00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:28,230 so personally i find of the best thing to do is actually look at examples 558 00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:29,100 of that this work 559 00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:30,880 different how to use it 560 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,090 i think it does but have you have anything to say that's about 561 00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:37,750 so 562 00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:41,220 but it's sure it's 563 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:47,350 course for books about most experiments this is 564 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:53,410 and all that this implement that we will go or it's a moving target also 565 00:38:53,410 --> 00:39:02,160 changing we maybe have also you know sledge my lower the biggest visual know ricky 566 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,520 which are realists 567 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:09,560 men's from the experiment on them snakes basis that i want to implement the you 568 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,120 know 569 00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:14,730 so that's probably the only resource new one more workable 570 00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:24,690 we have us 571 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:27,480 just a quick comments 572 00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:33,540 what on one know the your slides there is a library but know that and 573 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:38,670 i think it changed to help that know that all know that is actually not 574 00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:45,260 the case lightly cover is held about sitting 575 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:50,720 so when you get like we the first thing you see is a user is 576 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:56,110 developers system straight i want to actually click on this is will take the something 577 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,270 but actually like that what websites we get from that covers all of have to 578 00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:04,430 use it developer and this is a straight guy 579 00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:10,780 we have some time for some more questions anybody 580 00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:21,760 so that so i mean we king mo P flow 581 00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:26,630 what's your strategy for the next so i don't know speaks 582 00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:32,960 something like that and it does seem like a lot of stuff found 583 00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:37,510 it's not clear 584 00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:43,950 to me and what is most important to be like 585 00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:48,830 we do not have a very diverse team and as i was saying most of 586 00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:53,510 us prefer to work on user help because that's a lot of about to have 587 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:57,350 very few developers and the documentation team which has proven to be a problem 588 00:40:58,030 --> 00:41:03,510 but generally people working there is that they're interested because that's where they must matrix 589 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:04,090 to work 590 00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:12,040 so i hope so for most the contributors i expect will be working on maintaining 591 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,470 the user help for they could is leading that right for the developer hell 592 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:22,840 that that's our entire happy working on the system administrator but i plan to continue 593 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,650 working on that 594 00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:30,580 we have brian voices well who has been working who has started that how do 595 00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:34,250 i series of the week E and all that's actually just one of these different 596 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:37,700 things if we were to constraint on one for start it would not be good 597 00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:41,150 use of our time because some of us do not are not very good in 598 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:41,840 that area 599 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,480 of course we can amend have to but that would just me that we would 600 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,930 have to give up working in other areas to be able to achieve 601 00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:55,830 okay so no my question online and so 602 00:41:57,730 --> 00:42:03,760 what's your strategy and for the better no what's your strategy D to have like 603 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,110 a set a so plan come a because it i 604 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,610 if it can be difficult i think for people to you can vote still didn't 605 00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:15,530 know 606 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,820 you know how to how to style and 607 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,140 i think 608 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,890 i think 609 00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:34,470 i this is all the goal currently for the developer who is to finish then 610 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:39,500 you buy from a fee which the go for developer help is to finish the 611 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:46,930 platform of review which is which is and gets so anyone can go look that 612 00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:52,160 where we are i thing you descriptions for various areas of about form 613 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:59,470 i swear moving the we're moving the that is that's what has be working on 614 00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:00,230 into that 615 00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:04,640 i once that's complete that will be development or 616 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:07,260 so where overhauling about from scratch 617 00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:10,250 we have 618 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,870 i know 619 00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:20,480 for the user how it's now getting to the point where it's primarily made sense 620 00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:22,800 if you go on to our we key 621 00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:29,700 which you will find so we got a little functions documentation project 622 00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:36,820 and that youtube application helped us page you will see all the application help supplement 623 00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:37,660 english that there 624 00:43:38,530 --> 00:43:41,410 and it actually has individual states this 625 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:47,120 our aim is to get all of the states as into green which is complete 626 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,180 done for if you 627 00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:49,990 and ready to be shipped 628 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:56,560 and that is basically are ongoing maintenance we have i mean this now finishing the 629 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,140 last 630 00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:01,610 all day user help which experience of from the top block as far protection 631 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,680 any other questions 632 00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:21,790 i think we can take another question anybody 633 00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:25,340 is just a couple of minutes left 634 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,400 okay thank you