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i'm gonna tell you about on tell you
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review has heard of long sell

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okay so i'm young i'm the designer i do
the about interface design and overlaps

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design and that's the plant design so
all of you who don't know what i'm

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clout is it's a mainly it's like
about that it's a it's a P H

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P website you can put on your own server
and it has an interface for

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files file management has that's for calendar
contacts and you can write your own that's

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and we have a does some thinking up
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desktop and what happened and i was
that so it's like the files and can

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share thingy and i think so the topic
of talk i think that it's really

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important that we cooperating collaborate because
like i personally love you guys and there's been

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like i personally had a long history
with or not a long history but known

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was like my first we open source project
where i work with the people and

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i'm at the community and i think it's really nice

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and so it's also like the signal minimum
cost or is also kind of like

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a personal story really personal story for
me so it's mainly about desktop and web

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how we can bring the two together
how we can how the one thing can

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benefit from the other one and we can work
together where one project has resources

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for desktop and one of the reasons for web
and it's like strong projects loosely

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coupled together and so that we that we
deliver a full experience to people

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and of course everything is open source i because
that's important for people's data like

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that they that they can hosted themselves
like the reason then as a scandal and

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i don't know that we are using an open
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using a proprietary cloud is

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pretty much a problem i think so we
want to change that but we need

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proper integration for that that's
where good design and then

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and that's why want to also give a special
shout out to become design team

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and all the designers that are sitting in the audience
because i think non design

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thing has there's been like a big influence
on my work also and how we

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do design and on cloud a so big thanks
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let me or also right the term because
system i think is a is a

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kind of a maybe a weasel words used
by like companies or the monopolies

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to strive like an experience that you can
only have if you completely buy into

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that systems i think it's very important
that we sink with or that we that

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we collaborate with proprietary stuff as well
with open stuff so with nick know online

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accounts for instance we have like
you can use a google account

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use facebook account so i think that is
very important to get people who are

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using these accounts but we also need to
tightly coupled with the free services

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so that we have like flexibly can
system like i have a i have work

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from book running able to i have a firefox
that's phone and i have an

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ipod touch and it's really help to just sink
notes that's not even possible actually

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and that's kind of a joke if you think about it so

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we tell you a story how and that's
about the past like the history of

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on telling you know so in early two thousand
ten is actually funny because i

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done through and mailing list archives is
the mail i sent in march two thousand

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ten about a three open source alternative to drop
box but ignoring katie calibre collaboration

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where on top was still like it katie
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katie uses a

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and it just send i what i was not participating
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and just send a mail to the usability
list was saying hey there seems to

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be like this effort about the on cloud
and there was a another effort i

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call the design help i think and that was
also supported terrible okay and i

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just wanted to bring these things together
already in two thousand ten and i'm glad

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that it went it went further

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so in summer two thousand eleven know right
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typo it was what i in haiti where
that was my first like it was

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a really fun and i also didn't participate
in code yet but i wanna like

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i saw that great just of and i wanted
to sync with or i wanted

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to collaborate with the and a cloud thingy
where you can sink your data can

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second stuff

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so in really two thousand eleven that's like
the first on top access they didn't

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find a better picture actually it's prefix
lever that's me out there on the board

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sketching for the new design an estimate
maybe you some of you know from his

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on the right is the founder and of on call

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and so we were just five people like
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and then in like two thousand eleven
i post my thesis a goal usability in

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free software which was very much influenced
by norm and pile work on cloud

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and to push forward actually that the design
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then in late two thousand twelve

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no if you can read it but there's integrate
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push forward piracy i don't know if here you may so

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to integrate untalented norm

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sinking of calendar contacts and that was started
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is here also serum

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okay hero to mail to the and what was
the marketing this hey guys do

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you what you think about installing on cloud
and the then shortly after i'm gonna

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share later it actually happened so thanks
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actually of integration

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we have grown integration into online accounts
so you can you can synchronise you calendar

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and contacts with the evolution and you can sing files

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so it actually looks like is you have
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lot of resource and not a list and you
can access then do anything you

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want with it it's like a what if resource and

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we also have the as i mentioned before
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that's actually sings

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your data on your device whereas
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then we have a calendar integration
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and we're looking forward to add more stuff
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a lot of you people and i think somebody
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the cloud don't know not or

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where you can we can use on top will

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check or you will receive this that's
fine in screen and you can if you

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question account and andrea so currently it's like
currently available to all going teams well

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if your foundation member a lot but basically
is like ask and referent account and

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you will get an account at startup norman
organ you can share with other numbers

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you can you can create groups three teams

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and you can just show you documents secure stuff
secure calendars and have it available

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everywhere

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i think that's pretty cool i think that too

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and but i think it's like we need
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like even in the immediate future

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there's lots of things that we can we can
we can do integrating more applications

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so one issue that is still and from the norm
online accounts integration is documents

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pick up the own code documents

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i think the norm documents integration from
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the type of so

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it needs to like going on documents

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should be integrated so that the documents
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own proud or just send

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and then we have nodes we have like
a very simple notes at and on

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cloud and there we actually have a collaboration
i think here even is not here

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but he does the he does the don't know that

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which is a formally called be japan
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actually already sense so you have like
hello known thank you have a there and

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you can just edit it because it works
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a second notes subfolder in the

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in the finals

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files that so it just gets and for free
essentially and so you can you

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can already have like if you use the same
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know what's you don't even need to wait
for notes to be finished a you

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can just use your favourite editor and
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is way better than just using the file system

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and then a we have a news that so as all of you know who

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would reader not existing anymore so if
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you feel are gone that's kind of a problem so

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there is several attentive there's like newsletter
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and there is a tiny rss

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which is like an it's also php software
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news which is a an integrated news
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but or it seems like it's quite a fringe
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a use case like to read websites or something
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introduced ritter and stuff but that's exactly
the point we should be able to we

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them on our own space and we should
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in our own servers in our own homes the same

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so and i also like to dedicate this
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on the process specification and in general
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customer i think you don't see a that's pretty
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on the left of numbered or weekly that
no not or and i think customers

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working on a newsreader for known so that

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should be able to sink with that newsreader
then and what you get for free

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is an android until newsreader you can already downloaded
and support the developers like it's

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a it's a paid out

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and i think it's really good because it's
an open source hey that's you can

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also download the source and compile it
whatnot it's upon get help but i think

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it's really important also support open source
so if you have a hundred phone just

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a have to the store and support the developer of it

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and it we have there's and i was a and
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beta and there is a blackberry have i think
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and then next we have nice i think
the i can and number you your

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i just yesterday amenity S who's doing
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some people working on there's also into sucks
student for katie who does the marble

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and on cloud integration marbles the matched
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so i think that's really important because
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nothing for a long time and then maybe there
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but you can't do routing stuff and so
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have a proper maps solution i we can just simply
search get directions say favourite

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places and just have that things

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where wherever we are like whichever
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it's just like it

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i forgot what i wanna say but it's important to have maps

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there's music at the development and we
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and there's also turn you go with some
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with achieve i think and i think planet
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that of course we also need just think
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dance and sing the data and have it on your desktop and

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whenever something happens have a new desktop
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thing like it's i feel is kind of the elephant
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it's like i can almost imagine what we use for mail

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and i think it's a really big problem so where
like our collective hacker intelligence

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when's that we all use this mail provider
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that we have a proper

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mail solution that is that is

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looking good working well and just like basic
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and that's some things automatically so
we have a start at get about comes like

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jean claude such mail

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it's very basic but it's a start and especially
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invite you to collaborate there

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and so we can we can finally

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host their own email again

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and then there is bookmarks

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pretty basically we have bookmarks at and
i'd actually any of the epiphany or web

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okay i need to talk to them later
because bookmarks again pretty

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normal thing just synced bookmarks

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and there you also get another thing for
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also and you just have the have the have
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device even better would be of course
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if that that's possible like with the browser

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then videos i thought question there is
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development i saw some commits a about
a an uncut videos that so that you

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just have like peer videos on the web
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like it's just really basic i'm just listening actually

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the data just need to be saying and
tasks i just heard is the land

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okay all something to talk to him later
this is doing getting these things you

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know my heard and we also have like
a basic test up and it would

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i think that and i could i could
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well actually they're not so many more
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pretty much like the core stuff that
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an android phone when you get in iphone
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everyone needs

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they they're like some tiny more that's but
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because data and ask i think is very
tangible but you can you know where

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your data is you have your home folder
and you can just copy over you

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can you can back it up on a hard
drive a you know where your

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apps are you know what the ask you
often use are if you miss and

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happy just install it or something but
that's cumbersome and what happens

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your laptops brokenness on fire i don't know
it's like yesterday you went too much

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to drink and you fell into the we
have a river here in the city

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anyway if we don't have one something else happened and

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i think it's important that we also think
about all this stuff because that's the

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annoying stuff that we need to always said

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like appearance like the that that's the background
if i have a funny i don't

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know funny scroll picture on my background
as my background i want everything to it's

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not that simple it's just some single
file and want to have it when my

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laptops broken i want to have a manual
a brightness unlock seems like what is

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there to saying well the time and it
takes a lot or of brightness level

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of the what happens if you on market
like to just ask for passport or

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not keyboard layout the if

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you change the keyword layout any keyboard shortcuts

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the other online accounts you have configured bluetooth
which device you're paired with any specific

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colour settings displays when you need use project
or something and you have specific resolutions

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it's like if you go on a non also touchpad
like specific settings like sensitivity

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a network save wifi sweater passports power
settings what happens if i put the lid

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down a printer is annoying as hell
as it is so we should not make

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it more nine us so just a friend there is

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when i like when i connect to printer
just save it and thank you don't

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have the configuration

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"'cause" otherwise if i have a new laptop
i need to configure it all again

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and it's also annoying of the we have
the i got date and time something

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as simple as that if it changed my change
my regional settings or and also

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for sources like install software user counts alright
like user images or something like your

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real name or so

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all of this like saying all of this

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i heard there's something called chi settings
and we should plug that into and one

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line accounts to and just think that

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like to me as a design sounds easy
enough but i would like to talk

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to the person who can do that

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so next thing is like everything that
is there also need to miss and we

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have installed apps

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like every at i have installed every a i
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myself when i set up a new computer

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and still everything and i uninstall also
a whole bunch of stuff because i don't

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want certain apps to show up in the in the overview
because i just never

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use that so i want that to be remembered
as well and the favourite apps

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screen configuration

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like if you use if you still workspace
i mean maybe even open apps like

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when you computer got smashed like when you were
actually working on something like mark

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was not gonna give a then you want your

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current configuration saved as much as you can
recently search items all that stuff like

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even the current volume i don't know that's
really not that important but let's make

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important

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then there's like especially for recorder see
of the best receiver get comfy i guess

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age you could you can use all this
dot files right we have this

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there's a strand of having a dot files
repository upon gets out so why do

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we need that stuff i mean it's funny
to share the can think but we

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should also just have it saying and
have it set up when you found your

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new computer

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i just haven't work like i don't wanna
go express the need to install get

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then i need to clone the repository
and then i have to say i have

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set it up i should just login username
and then everything is done

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next thing is like passwords like for wife
eyes for websites like also for the

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browser again notifications like red states is
like the most annoying thing you use different

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device even

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even if you just use two devices like
you read it on one device and

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on the other device still there that essentially makes
medications pointless because there's just a

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slew of messages that you don't know jittery
this that we do not read this

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then there's fonts like all my fun files
actually like i want to use a

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different font but it didn't work like whatever

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i want that saying and there's like a whole
bunch of other things like an

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single think about we talked about that day
before yesterday and we came up with

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like a long list of stuff and essentially
of everything that isn't settings

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plus there's and probably some more things

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and then something which i really think is
important also that high scores for games

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like when you are

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at this point

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or even further like when you many finish
this thing right when you finish you

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know mine on this level you all

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i do that like maybe once we or something
and i have new high score

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and then i want have saying that
because that's very important

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because i can show it off to my friends
and them on my computer hume

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pewter is broken

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i don't know that high score anymore
and that's a pity because of them my

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friends think i'm line that people shouldn't
have to like to their friends about the

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high scores so we should just so right
it's like it's pretty basic a but

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that's a stuff you never think about when
you when you think about data sink

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it's like

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only small things which are in inside the apps
which are inside the configuration files

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all this all this difference

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stuff that makes up the whole the whole
of what i put into the computer

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or what i did with the computer
what i want to be there when i

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when and solid again or when i
when i have a different device

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very simple actually

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so just have the apps and then sink everything
and not only the data that

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is in there but also data vic the metadata and

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everything like you probably or most
of you probably know more what's

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there is or which data there is

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so just think that just everything

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and if your mind blowing it then i
would like to propose that we just

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do it i talked to several people you
already which i mentioned also and i

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wanna or we like as long thought or
in the on call community we want

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to talk to more of your and wanna collaborate
on even more so that we

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can we can just have like

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have a free desktop operating system with police
things like freak out service so this

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i think you have your of your old insulation
or you started in on the

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door and then you can just one someone takes
a hammer especially laptop well you

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just have to devices like i don't know
i don't think happens that often that

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someone takes a hammer something but you
just have to devices we just want to

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have everything same

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it can it's a pain right i just someone
you have what i think lots

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of your people have like for three non devices and it's

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quite a pain to get those saying but we
should always remember that it's not

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about the technology like it's not about
on clouds not about can home and it's

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not about what do you actually do
that if you think it or if you

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just have it online or whatnot but it's
about people that we do it for

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and what they what they expect like

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if they use it if they don't use gnome
if they don't use on clothing

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that's why like the come online accounts
approach so much is that it just into

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it is able or it can potentially integrate
anything like and it can integrate flicker

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facebook will whatever because people use those
services but we should also make it easy

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and to integrate other services

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and so like with without for instance
we also make it possible to month you

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will go drive to monitor drop box
to plug in your i don't know what

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it's just what people use that's important
that should be important for us

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thank you

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address

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i so i heard you mention briefly own collapse

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no like how okay yes it's like step install
on your own so that instance

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and

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just run right and out of the base
system i think we could integrate

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those guys specifically in into the online counts
because it's a tricky thing right hunting

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on let's ever it would be it would have

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different capable right it would have different apps so

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i'm the francisco calendar and contacts you have
like colour and conduct of these exposed

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protocols and working on a P R's for the specific
that's like for the know

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that for instance in the future there
would be an A P I for bookmarks

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should be an A P I for maps

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and i feel like to expose the you adjacent
data or something and so they're

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like we need to we need to probably have
something to convert better to have

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a common format

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well what you mean

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but you are do you can check like which
apps installed phones please and then

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there is but like what's plan to
be part of a colour right so you

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can always expect to be here right so
that you never know that's the that

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something like the only thing you always knows
that there's files so that there's matter

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and that's the only thing that will ever
or that is ever fully expect to

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be there and but like i have said
i guy i don't know exactly but

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i think probably when you do like a count
of requests on the server which

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doesn't have counter enabled probably returns
an error it's times like there is no counter

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installed and i could imagine i don't know

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but i could imagine

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and how

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wouldn't want the situation where you running against multiple
instances alone about because assuming multiple

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instance because we have one you know where
well company we have while they're we

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have one there a i want like no calendar
to track the release date the

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free states but i want my office cal
that attract the office ones and i

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certainly don't want my the disappointment
in the ghetto calendar

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and the serious that these arts trying
to you if you open up loaded like

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corporate files documents to the O is think how

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do we want to solve the privacy issue

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so you mean like i have two different
i'm glad instances in the non online

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accounts for example i don't know if that's
possible does anyone know that well what

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should

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so earnest possible or so what you know
what most is how should we solve

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the privacy issues that come from that situation

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because more things and moving to the cloud
more things and moving their we using

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a various levels of drop looks accounts
on various companies it's a bit of pain

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and yes to have voiced also drop offs
and are running on four different use

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cup accounts because you can't login

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several drop box accounts is wants

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but if you have separate components is
like yes not a problem where you when

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you be event in the calendar you can
specify which calendar you want to

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and i don't get sick people

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make up to so all contacts and it doesn't
accompanist but files for example

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it sings all the files

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it shows and it shows is a different but of resource

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it doesn't mix them up or anything

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okay

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if i can put this like that one

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okay where was a right

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okay

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i mean one thing for the

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you want to the first one or the other one

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okay

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okay anything

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well i'm here

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and so what managers okay take into help
ensure the security of data is that

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saying them always terrified of and big corporations
you have like millions of dollars invested

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sometimes still league lots of dater get so

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if like and using on cloud on a gnome
server how can i trusted

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that's a good question actually do you trust and references

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i know like corporations that likes to
provide security to us and we have an

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to so even but i was just okay
so the thing is there is there

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is an encryption have a in or for
about i don't know the state of

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it exactly and but there is like an effort
to also have a host secure

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so that you that you don't need to trust
your poster to secure your data

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the problem with that like we with or
in our specific case without out with

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for example end to end encryption is
that you wouldn't be able to use the

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web interface anymore which kind of makes
the whole thing the mood point so there

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you could just use like to perhaps
you could even use it with box for

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instance

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so that's a harder problem solved but we're
working on it but it's like it's

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super hard but we certainly care about that

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does that answer your question

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just one thing i don't like the lee was
previously being offered most is like

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a chrome extension and that's like firefox extension
like will ever be possible for on

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cloud to have offer like a browser side
extension that would be of the like

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transparently display things that would
be encrypted don't know cloud servers

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so like they come back to your clients
and they are the crypt that there

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overlap hard i'm not sure about that i'm
not that much of a programmer tutor

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to answer the question i think we i think
it would certainly be possible

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because like nearly everything is possible
i guess but someone needs to do it that's

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like always from

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i think there's so maybe some of you know approvingly

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if you questions

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so i have a question

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but this is

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well the thing is that it has like if
you compared that box right there

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is a nice

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notification when somebody and share the document
or something with you a i don't associate

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client that's written in katie as when
they will be when you see a something

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similar that integrates better make you know

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i so i don't think we have the resources
to like to a native G

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T K implementation if that's what you're asking
because like you typically vic frostbite from

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thing that we chose because we can do
it on windows and michael's and the

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two people working on and are to T people
so there's no i think there's

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nobody currently working on like you that
on a G T K implementation just because

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like we just have to people and it's just on possible

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but i also have like a

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i have a last

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slide come and say hi to us where
all the code is also open source

461
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:33,950
gettable concert on cloud are see channel
on content and on product design we also

462
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:34,770
have a design channel

463
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,690
you have enough

464
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:43,510
i really like and i is there any way
you like i had exchanged count

465
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:48,020
there and easily in work out there's a will so we

466
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:53,000
so that's a big problem right now you can
you can export calendars where you

467
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,880
can important like it's like

468
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,500
that's a problem i know but in it
will be in the in about six

469
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,340
and the next severance

470
00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:08,550
so this kind of an extension of wondrous
question number to have a very

471
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,460
that i can see over files and i haven't
talked to you guys maybe for

472
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:15,020
you that's true

473
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:19,990
are you thinking about having some kind
of general data we are in the or

474
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:22,680
parent are do you know anything about that

475
00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:28,660
i've i probably i could imagine that
you have like we have so we are

476
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:32,440
trying to do would like in general ache
if i remember correctly i think we

477
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:38,700
were trying to do like a general like
generalise core api but i don't know

478
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,030
how for that goes so actually

479
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,570
not many ask use where am use files

480
00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:52,910
like the calendar and contacts used a database
and you could basically saying anything and

481
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:56,450
we were two we're trying to do like
a proper api so and i think

482
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:59,580
it's deprecated so i think we're in the process of that

483
00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:04,220
but you get like ideally you can you
can ask on the mailing list or

484
00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:09,920
and get have issues because they like are
developers know more about me probably

485
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,870
so

486
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,080
a huge

487
00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:22,230
i think a problem at this point you for

488
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:24,990
i think the

489
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:30,860
the best thing about i don't know this
also probably so please you know

490
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:35,920
"'cause" i think it is achilles
heel this that i simply this

491
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,780
and that's the fact that there is

492
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:45,760
there's no central this know there's
a well hosting provider

493
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,010
so if you tell someone

494
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:52,100
i want to use and not out there is one way to do it you

495
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:56,670
immediately have to be making choices and
information user experience perspective

496
00:36:56,710 --> 00:37:02,740
and from kind of adoption perspective that's
really hard and thinking about it from the

497
00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:07,390
nine perspective like if we want to really
push integration of be great to be

498
00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:09,620
able to maybe even my setup

499
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,340
and i'm clout

500
00:37:12,110 --> 00:37:16,330
account and you like first great you know
what in initial sets of the something

501
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:17,190
for example

502
00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:19,370
it's very hard to do that

503
00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:25,250
when you're in the situation where there's always
different providers by different companies and

504
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:36,610
you have the enterprise all that
is that we do have i know stuff

505
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,960
but i think the only for users right
like if you install gonna on then

506
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,870
you're not like you can't use product
longer or for instance

507
00:37:46,350 --> 00:37:53,620
the nist you one way so i like the original
or like still the goal

508
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:58,760
of components like that everyone has their
own instance so there would also be like

509
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,100
the

510
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:02,940
what it would also be cool to have like a one click install

511
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,010
but where does it install them it's
is always kind of a problem like i

512
00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:09,260
do you need to trust someone

513
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:12,690
you need to have a server where you
need to have a friend a server

514
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:14,580
where you need to have an organisation or something

515
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:21,370
i definitely at that we think it's also
problem also like from the from the

516
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:26,550
work of perspective like are just to
find people there like we have to we

517
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:31,660
have to make sure it always works correctly with
all these different server configurations and

518
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:33,570
it just makes everything harder but

519
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,010
as like on plot or of our own code
that con we'll get it doesn't

520
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:39,180
question

521
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,940
and i was gonna come upon and what
was it but on the other or

522
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:48,170
don't lot of comic we will not offer
hosting like will not go into the

523
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:51,950
hosting business because we don't want people's
data and there are other people who can

524
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:57,030
do that and with their companies and universities
doing it and organisations

525
00:38:57,330 --> 00:39:05,900
so to linux there exactly this like the one
click you install on some five

526
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:12,980
and you can write a so you'd wanna do something
similar probably them but it's

527
00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:17,210
it's a lot of work if you wanna so set up for them but if

528
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:21,860
it but i think then that would be your
call known like saying hey our

529
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:27,660
users can set it up and like when you
hardcode like amazon on that would

530
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:28,650
be like a solution

531
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,410
that should be the and the people right

532
00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:39,430
there isn't that's the problem there is
not but i don't like actually get your

533
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:44,080
point i have the same problem like this back
with open idea because there's like

534
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,240
only a website like a to is right and i which one

535
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:54,680
so perhaps extendible elmo saying in the question
of the front like five or six

536
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,730
years ago like that this program groupon
but i would like three years of doing

537
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:59,870
the client side of this

538
00:40:00,370 --> 00:40:00,730
and

539
00:40:02,210 --> 00:40:03,620
i think i'll in a few things

540
00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:07,200
and i would it mean your slide in on the basis
of what i learned

541
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,690
what on the signs not like think everything
just sink everything on that because

542
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:17,340
you do i combinatorial explosion of services
the people wanna support and in this you

543
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:21,600
can point is what of my at doesn't have
the file format you support can

544
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,590
i converted to another thing a plug into a system i to guy

545
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:25,300
so

546
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,920
the danger of like a sink everything model
is everything's a lot of things and

547
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,550
an impossible amount of work so

548
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:35,950
just

549
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:41,870
without wanting nine to get into the infrastructure
providing purpose business of like untied instance

550
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:42,850
everyone like

551
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,580
what's the minimum amount of saying stuff that's
useful that doesn't require us getting into

552
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:52,730
business okay but i mean saying everything
doesn't go very far beyond as far as

553
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:57,810
data massive data goes younger actual data
like all the install that's is just like

554
00:40:57,810 --> 00:41:00,210
a can fix which right if you'd be surprised

555
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,330
okay but like

556
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,290
okay maybe i don't know

557
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,300
okay so it might make it easy for and
think everything extracts on i think

558
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:14,350
about the direct lex and

559
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:15,070
in

560
00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:18,320
so that i would advise everything else is

561
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,140
very light problem

562
00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:21,950
okay

563
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:28,310
there's also the possibility posting yourself
on your own network and i think it would

564
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:32,930
be really interesting to have a small machine
that you can just likes to get

565
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:36,250
an S D card that you just image for
example and then it would be

566
00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:40,800
nice if you would automatically to discover
that's we don't than anything and then if

567
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,910
that would also somehow work with
like U P N B or whatever and open

568
00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:49,310
up ports on the far wall so you can
access when you leave your house

569
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:54,880
can still extra data you don't have to
worry about it being on you server

570
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960
like on amazon or something at the N
S A says hey we want to

571
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,680
get all your data you know then at least
it's like within your control so

572
00:42:02,430 --> 00:42:06,860
i mean you probably or nearly everyone knows
about freedom box if you much projects

573
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:11,910
we words about having a server in your home
like having actually all these services

574
00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:17,090
physically as like on a plaque computer
in a some plug and plug into the

575
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:23,170
internet and you can always access it from anywhere
posting your own about essentially and

576
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:27,640
that's a good point because you all seven physically
amendment there's like they wanna search

577
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,540
your data you know where it is you
know that they need to get into

578
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:35,800
your house for instance and then there's actually
people installing on cloud on rest very

579
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,690
high you need to optimize it's to make
it work well and or unplug computers

580
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:44,690
like pull plug and so you can you can
already do that so that's already

581
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:45,460
possible

582
00:42:48,330 --> 00:42:51,660
so you can post your own thing
you can i mean you can even we

583
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:56,360
have a just a computer that is in your
home anyway maybe even running twenty

584
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,330
four seven you can just install it
on there and run it from there

585
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,130
back on the topic a how there's no one sent like you know

586
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:06,890
but you know

587
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,100
there are some sharing

588
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:13,700
and then it wouldn't address the first
time set of issues but you have any

589
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:15,210
plans like of anyway you know

590
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:21,740
iterations thing where i could share between
i would instances like i don't make about

591
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:22,400
yours might

592
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:28,070
what will address so definitely we have plans
but that's also hard so currently you

593
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:33,550
cannot share between two hundred instances so we
don't have like federation like diaspora for

594
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:39,090
instance we can follow different user accounts other
that's definitely a consideration or like different

595
00:43:39,090 --> 00:43:43,450
something want to do because then you
can have your like now we can share

596
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:45,910
files so definitely that's a plan

597
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,510
so with

598
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:55,560
i guess all the ask that you end up producing
and they're number popular sweets

599
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:01,410
of web apps already available store you have are
concerned about redundant efforts or just

600
00:44:01,410 --> 00:44:05,470
wasting like your own pro to because like
than brand board of like a bunch

601
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:06,500
of like the

602
00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:12,660
that we like nice to use or anything
so that would be my answer mighty

603
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:17,580
i mean there are these things and like i
mean the duplicated effort things often

604
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:20,250
something which is mention an open source but i think

605
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:25,260
it's also good that we have like multiple things
and sometimes they're just outdated projects

606
00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:30,370
and it's a it's like this behemoth of piece
of software and no one actually

607
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:34,460
like or some people like to use a maybe
but i think it's good to

608
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:40,290
just like start a new from time to time
and to make something new something

609
00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:41,040
simpler

610
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:46,560
so i totally get your point but i
think it's good to just make a

611
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,770
new it was a newsreader for instance
there has been time ten yards as

612
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:54,260
which i think i wanna

613
00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:59,130
calling names or whatever but it like it
doesn't look like that new right it

614
00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:05,060
does look like feebly or whatever and i
think with the companies that we did

615
00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:10,020
a very good very simple newsreader at which
looks very good it's very simple to

616
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:10,590
use

617
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:12,780
and it's

618
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:18,100
just starting from zero and we did something good

619
00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:27,370
i think it's not switch on

620
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,860
okay also about and federation of any

621
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:44,680
are there any plans a for the is showing
without to users without account say

622
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,330
i want to send a file to my

623
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:48,550
a friend

624
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:51,010
it's not very i think also well

625
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,800
have to on a on a account

626
00:45:54,340 --> 00:46:00,480
and a it see that's we directed
then locking page he will okay

627
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,800
so there is already a publicly feature so
you can actually already do that like

628
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,000
you can you just say share publicly like
it's publicly like it's really it's a

629
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:15,720
tokenized link you can also password protected
actually so actually private so you can just

630
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,860
send that link to them and they're
like if it's an image to get a

631
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:23,460
preview if it's a "'cause" the pulled
or something we can download it on so

632
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:24,650
that's already possible

633
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,170
any more questions or

634
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:37,720
otherwise we can like just let's talk and
that's let's try to a collaborate more

635
00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:39,460
thanks again