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you know that you can select text and
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paste it anywhere

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on you know you could do that you know
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wrote the passion to remove it from G T K

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that didn't go well with lots of

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you know uses i think

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it's turned off by default of into currently
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do we still have a turn all those
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next really it's

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so from next door release you cannot middle
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use control C control

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you need to ask people that decided that
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and it's a different discussion to

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to might fall so you

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find the right people i'm not sure visit john allen

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so this is well not me

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it's a it's a good example of why i want to say i think we

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need to be a platform for us to decide
we don't want to do something

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even though they're not all that do it because it's

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that to support these things when nobody
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and also what people write applications
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the case where this platform features different

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they will sometimes even the pen almost

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a depend on those platform feature
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like somebody might decide hey the middle mouse
button on an entry doesn't do anything

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i will at the feature to my entry
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suddenly that featured is weapon open to
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okay

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to get back

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of course if it's possible to integrate
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very confusing we want to do that

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like sometimes we even go out of the way
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like the menu work

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that ryan did where you men you can
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shall the full menu can be a like nudity

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or in katie you still have at the window

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something as i think it's important but

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if we are in that we will be a platform
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of course but you know platform because
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at G T K i know us

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which means that if we have to argue
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that time for the different

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sure if we can integrate their ideas but where the whole

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but of course and that goes back
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we want to work everywhere

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there simple reasonable limits like probably not work

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i play somebody has and also lowers
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K three application of that

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it would be nice if we could do
that i think we still do that

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like we have we have support for X
eleven call protocol features that

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at the end of the X so we can run
with features that have been

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in the X server for ten years and
then you get everything you

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we we're trying to keep it that way
it's also great for D by the

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we want to run everywhere we want to
run on all operating systems of all

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platforms we definitely want to keep running
at a you don't want you know replicate

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press we also

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a new machines that you have somewhere with at the end

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well whatever

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so that means you propose in new features that

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for require is the greatest opengl extend
have a i will probably complain

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this one is an interesting want to
like we develop is the use G T

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what kind of application of a people

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are we developing a smallish have slight

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my favourite example is always you know clocks
because that's just a bunch of box

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well i developing huge applications like

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we brought it stinks capable

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and we also to this one

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which you "'cause"

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can almost guess it's you have the in the T
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on smaller

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the new widgets that we add it make
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that looks

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the way that you know designs and that
is really easy to write smaller

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and i just because but

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the people as well on all the to get like

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i know guys that you know it's focusing
on small house we want to make

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it easy to have an actual listen to that's
for where people right smaller fast

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and we want to make it easy for that push that

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onto the best

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there also is the case that the big applications

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usually

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right that road toolkit or at a lots of bells
and whistles and widgets and

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so like we're offices the best example
it's build or i have fox to build

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on top of G T K but they only opened a window in the draw

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everything themselves

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like they tried to call into the seeming
layout maybe of G T K but

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that'll using you could be a G T K widgets

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and even applications likings K
have lots of the road widgets

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so if we want to go and at a docking which is okay

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probably

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you guys would complain but it doesn't look like
the docking behaviour the escape doesn't

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can play that doesn't look like it's good
talking behaviour the nobody user

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so

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the way this is worked out is that small
developers a currently running this the

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G T K development so we're focusing on small

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yes that of course makes life harder for
all those of real application feel like

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the applications

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what

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i defining the difference is some is

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so this

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it's like it's a spectral like that is applications
that a small and tiny that

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obviously all like thoughts about one of the big the

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so it anyways an example that when i wrote
this talk presented somebody is that

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you brought up i think to me epiphany is a smaller
because epiphany is essentially

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but prove around

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at if you take what you would wept it is easy

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what it had which

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and if you take that out it's just few

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like compare to the my amount of which
is that you have and that regulate

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you window

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where all the settings

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layout dialogues layout dialogues set

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is that

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it's

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now

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i would i would give you i would give
you the definition if the if

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the highness hot of porting the application

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yes porting all the dialogue boxes that it's a big

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which was the big thing for the liberal disguises
big thing for the numeric guys

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like imagine

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but

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it's something we're looking more at the smaller side a lot

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this might change next year because suddenly
lots of develop a show out that want

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to make really awesome P T V and
i really great to look at the

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suddenly we find languages what

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but now

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about this some more

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there's always people making

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often times making jobs but

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sometimes being serious a why should i use G T K three

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i have adjudicated application it's also

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should i still use G P K to select what the G T K three

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we have been very clear from the beginning
that we want everybody of the G

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we ninety to get we think G T K three's also

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but in recent times

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i've kind of started to die

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because

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G T K two is stable

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this change

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like every change that happens there
even is just a simple but big as a

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high chance of breaking some application somewhere

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and it's essentially board

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that there are people out that
the like to stable changing or

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there's people that and say well we're targeting route a

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ralph i've recently learned as G T K two point ten

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do you can two point and already has cairo

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doesn't have points that windows

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so

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it's very

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if you write an application that
is targeting G T K two point ten

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you're probably doing yourselves this service
if you're porting it to G T K three

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because suddenly you have another pull you to make

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unless of course you want to take advantage
of all the great features of G

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T K three and want to be integrate
really well into you know

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but if you want to be integrate really
well to you know you have to

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keep a with you know anyway because you know it's still

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changing rubber

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quickly

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at

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sure if you want to do that and
if you like that and you have

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the manpower a prodigy okay three

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so if you have more busy porting your favourite
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at removing millions of lines of loading

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who for

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outdated file

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well that might be better to keep using

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also do you think a three and this
is one of the things you can

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three is very

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and state people always come to me
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you doing avi breaks

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and i always say

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we both

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we are trying things and see if we can get away with it

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like a clutter integration is not
something that happens without it

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i suppose it doesn't have without
a cup i don't know how much of a

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magician men yes but probably

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i mean we we've managed quite a bit of things
them actually quite happy with

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how a little we wrote start with all
the things that we introduced light

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see is that's rendering change the way we do the

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three releases and applications you

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look okay

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at

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i also quite happy that all you know develop
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keep up with us and when we introduce frame clocks

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and they have

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been done sink some ways they that their
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so that's right i

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we like

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that we can be but of course

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if we're both and you know from the technical
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that we probably need to be bold like
if we want to introduce gestures and

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redo or input system that might be things
happening to people that care about input

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more than the usual person that this has about clicks

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like you for example

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so

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but we can be both because it enables us to do that so

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which brings us to be able

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what are we going to do G T K for

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why don't we

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when i don't know

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because

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i don't think about you know there
is a lot of text to do the

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clapper stuff i you have no idea is
active stop words and if so how

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long take

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and

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we want those things ideally before we
duty for because we want to get the

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G T K two advantages be boring

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table in particular we want to have those back

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we'd like to have a to hear that is
modern that works sometimes and has

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all these great advantages

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but that is also stable and that
we can tell people with a huge

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application if you all now this application
will run i change without problems

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five use you

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i think this is one of the girls
that we have used it you for

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the other one is the

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the other one is how long can we be bold
until our application developers throw

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rocks as us for breaking random stuff

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there are of course everybody always
throws rocks when i find the by that

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i

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it's

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it's about is that we need to take
of course because they also want a

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support

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we definitely shouldn't regular application when
we implement and it should work out of the

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box and they should

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like an application developer will need
to change not thing actually just

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what about

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idea

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and if it doesn't extra rolls and we
throw the rocks back and as long

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as we still have a chance of winning about okay

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we will draw

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but and then i think we want to

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G T K two

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the stability that you take a have

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i would like to do a new major release

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rid of all the deprecated a the eyes

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and i tried to be

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a lot more careful we do an advertise
to a forest we had done with

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for

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i ask you saying and the beginning with

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and of long as you laugh

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we will go

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that

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question

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as a contributor to G T K even
a small one about a couple of

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projects going to the toolkit

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i think that the domain interesting
having widgets you can so i G T K

517
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:42,480
is they need to be

518
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,950
widely used we need to be able a pick-off
to name all doesn't applications that

519
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:52,080
we use that particular widget three to be useful

520
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,340
and

521
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:57,960
what we try to do well but you know
those widgets is also make sure

522
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,710
that they match the good on designs

523
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:07,600
so that means that the behave and
the look and feel of the of the

524
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,610
new widgets should match

525
00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:14,240
should match the designs and that makes it that
much easier to write applications that

526
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,130
do the right thing

527
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:20,720
yes something i didn't talk about with
it i actually like a lot this the

528
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,540
way that we currently develop the new
widgets at the kind of we just we

529
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:25,960
develop

530
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:27,570
like they

531
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:28,960
they

532
00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:34,970
requires so behaviour from your application
see which it so we kind of

533
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,190
match you in the right direction if you use
the widgets that your application looks

534
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:47,430
kind of okay without lots of input from people
in advance doing more things like

535
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:47,620
that

536
00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:49,530
and

537
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:58,340
at those widgets mature in libraries
that are using the what the G D

538
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,050
and sometimes they make it

539
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,980
and then they get review then we also the accessibility
we usually fix accessibility issues

540
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:11,740
already only G D because we use the which
is you know and sometimes they

541
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:16,400
don't like it and then they end up in those
few applications that actually

542
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:21,850
use the widgets sometimes the widgets you can
type budget to the different applications use

543
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:21,980
that

544
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,450
at the nice thing so far is that
which is that have shown up in

545
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:30,470
G T K are a really useful for a lot
of applications be the A

546
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:33,720
P I is actually a well thought out

547
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:35,360
at the widgets

548
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:40,080
i'm going to work because they had been used in that way

549
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:42,300
for a while

550
00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:44,290
a very different thing

551
00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:47,610
so yes i like that very much so if you have a which is that

552
00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:49,320
you think lots of

553
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:51,910
applications i using attic you know develop

554
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:54,450
get in touch with

555
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:59,900
best and probably me that in doing
that too late G D's one of the

556
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:05,340
cases i don't know what they act for
a list box had it's a repository

557
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:06,210
but that's

558
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,650
does that still exist there's still of the box
and that's so there's about a

559
00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:15,590
repositories that we have that you can
also use if you want to try those

560
00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:18,390
we just but they of course don't have G P case

561
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:20,520
i guarantee

562
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,020
so

563
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:24,630
if you're not again develop

564
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,170
you but it's definitely interesting to look
at them from time to time to figure

565
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:29,370
out

566
00:37:30,070 --> 00:37:30,720
what we're

567
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,340
that you

568
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:44,430
i use you spoke a little bit of a of the back and so you

569
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:47,760
want to support but you didn't really
talk about what might be on the other

570
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,060
side so a lot of people are saying she'd
it is rapidly becoming to can

571
00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:56,470
home toolkit how do you things like access
to your and likes to you that

572
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:59,940
want to use G T K but you know maybe don't want to use all

573
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:00,730
the can don't hurt

574
00:38:01,810 --> 00:38:06,960
so that's what i sat we want to be
a platform bust integrate second

575
00:38:07,330 --> 00:38:11,170
so if you want to use G T K to do your own that form

576
00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:11,730
but it

577
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
but all that is very different from G T K

578
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,870
you that complaints probably for
doing all those setting patches

579
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:24,760
i mean if you want to use G T K

580
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:28,380
you kind of

581
00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:32,410
i mean the place where you use G T K

582
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:36,720
so you to become a G T K develop that push the to look at

583
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,180
in a different direction i can tell you from
experience that takes quite some people

584
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:42,540
at

585
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:47,390
or you

586
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,280
have to pay

587
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:53,410
i'm not saying you have to take what
we give you but you have to

588
00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:54,480
talk to as and

589
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:57,500
i have to be prepared to get an though

590
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,580
yes i mean if you if you want if you want to write a lot

591
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:06,690
of all that uses G T K of them to look at

592
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,930
you better dissipated G T K somehow guy G T K to be the to

593
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:14,110
look at that you wanted to

594
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:20,090
otherwise certificate will be the going
to because they can do people do that

595
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:32,150
this is just a theoretical concern like
"'cause" i was i can tell what ecstasy

596
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:37,400
melody are just clones windows ninety five
we kind of support that in you know

597
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,220
the menu success and i mean id is there
actually any design coming from that

598
00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:49,340
or there's various questions coming
up but the they are very capital

599
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,290
to save like that like one of the things
is when we did the place

600
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:54,390
a sidebar

601
00:39:57,070 --> 00:40:00,890
the place aside box of the places side
but have an entry for desktop

602
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,090
because we don't show the desktop and you know

603
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,800
but the desktop get show that it would do

604
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,560
and ecstasy

605
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:15,570
and i like stevie searchable file to
the have an entry for the best well

606
00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:19,930
that was one of the questions that
showed up that i remember

607
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:29,830
it's

608
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:38,190
right

609
00:40:39,350 --> 00:40:39,670
right

610
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:56,410
so the best top needs to tell you

611
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,840
like all windows you probably one problem

612
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:05,870
all i was X you probably won't want
to do they sell at the best

613
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:06,600
of what's the time

614
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:13,290
the people you get making the you know
to look at comments are not just

615
00:41:13,290 --> 00:41:18,380
talking about designed other also talking about
like you approach to especially the pace of

616
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:23,390
the development you know we change things we make
sure mostly works with gnome applications

617
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:29,230
and then that is that is what i sat
with the people like we still

618
00:41:29,230 --> 00:41:33,700
hobble we think we still want to be
bold because we still don't have a

619
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:35,730
we still don't have G L

620
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:41,460
we want based things and everybody ones
us to have a stake even the people

621
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:45,960
that play in that we are not stable
a saying you should be stable and

622
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,470
also have these features

623
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:54,310
i guess that i don't think there is
anybody right now that's as G T

624
00:41:54,310 --> 00:42:00,420
K C D's today looks also let's freeze
it and never touch it again and

625
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:01,800
then we're right applications

626
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:14,270
we still somewhere in the pros is what we do they will that

627
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,230
i would like this to be back sooner rather than later but

628
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,190
it's work and somebody has to do it doesn't happen it's

629
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,780
and that's all i can say about it
can say we'll that year we set

630
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:32,790
that two years ago and that the what

631
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:37,050
any questions

632
00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:40,620
okay thank you very much but