1 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,040 so well just kind of going off from what she was saying earlier for the 2 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:16,510 young 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,570 for the social everything first of all there's the order for you doing here so 4 00:00:21,570 --> 00:00:25,420 you can use pound whatever have to you know go through a noticeable take some 5 00:00:25,420 --> 00:00:26,700 delay to do that 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,100 in more importantly it's really important because 7 00:00:33,510 --> 00:00:37,430 i remember week if use your something we saw that there was an article like 8 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:42,430 a couple weeks ago it's last are actually hit my inbox multiple times 9 00:00:42,730 --> 00:00:46,690 about this is going to be last quite like is gonna be the last one 10 00:00:46,690 --> 00:00:47,430 because 11 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:53,390 it's like us it all i remember is that it was you know just a 12 00:00:53,390 --> 00:00:59,680 couple of negativity fall there absolutely wonderful comments section a and but the thing is 13 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,030 i when you try to slight evidence that you know these kinds of events are 14 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:04,380 relevant 15 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:08,550 i when we invited me to do this i look at what i know what 16 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:13,980 it was like nothing all there was the old he doesn't well so stay with 17 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:17,630 that schedule but i try to you know to see what i should be doing 18 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:18,660 i know 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,520 there was like one and i don't even think of the whole thing so it's 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,240 say what everyone 21 00:01:27,690 --> 00:01:34,420 our so just decide that you want things to remain relevant gotta put evidence that 22 00:01:34,420 --> 00:01:35,260 it lists 23 00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:38,630 or so 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:39,970 want to 25 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:43,050 be doing so 26 00:01:43,530 --> 00:01:49,480 i need to be you if you're wondering one first pronounce it in the middle 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,950 is pronounced a so they did you buy though we can just go with you 28 00:01:53,950 --> 00:01:57,260 can just go with flip it it's a lack for to be more informal and 29 00:01:57,260 --> 00:01:58,080 first place 30 00:01:58,530 --> 00:02:02,910 i kind of they know thing on the what i can make it is bad 31 00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:06,300 and i'm real see the actual to correctly that never happens 32 00:02:06,970 --> 00:02:11,430 like well to be fair people would give me tighter do this thing they just 33 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:12,940 match the keyboard and the one 34 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:15,450 and it kind of funny but 35 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:17,840 so 36 00:02:18,460 --> 00:02:21,250 well what i work a lot of work that i do as a game but 37 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:25,670 i'm not really a designer at this point are not really doing are or what 38 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:31,860 you know i'm all intact i specifically ports you linux and which is i take 39 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:36,190 the code that works on windows or had maybe had some progress on any review 40 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:38,990 for no i had and then 41 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:43,550 i will ship it either you the three stores like to go on our double 42 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:47,640 store on any particular with probable are 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,470 okay good i would assume so it's still pretty big audience for them i think 44 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:59,260 and in usually on ski just you know what exactly great and 45 00:03:03,210 --> 00:03:06,730 is there rosenfeld maybe i wrote something here but when trying 46 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:11,390 we want fast like so the first thing reduces as far as an is getting 47 00:03:11,390 --> 00:03:12,170 record it 48 00:03:12,510 --> 00:03:13,710 and i know is 49 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:20,230 when intention especially for some you're supposed to be official slides if you wanted only 50 00:03:20,230 --> 00:03:22,240 slides that address 51 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,680 they're not really that important i said about to find out so if you want 52 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,120 that it's just my alias a lot of to be 53 00:03:31,690 --> 00:03:33,320 so 54 00:03:34,190 --> 00:03:37,070 there is this deal with a 55 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,360 i see this all the time various conventions for like specifically need for things where 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,130 free software and open source kind have to contend each other so i wanted to 57 00:03:48,130 --> 00:03:49,380 put my foot down and now 58 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,860 we do i sit most of you use linux 59 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,940 or should i say can you minutes 60 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,600 well the thing is 61 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,080 there are perfectly good reasons for both and 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,430 we think is 63 00:04:05,290 --> 00:04:08,690 i know you've all seen this comment on direct about sports 64 00:04:08,790 --> 00:04:13,570 so we like sports there's that one guy that says for instance they have an 65 00:04:13,570 --> 00:04:18,550 introduction this game it means it'll you work when it's just it's the same thing 66 00:04:19,130 --> 00:04:23,670 and but i think it in so normally other things i will try to use 67 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,940 these all and you one expired you all you desktop linux on pretty sure you 68 00:04:28,940 --> 00:04:34,560 already so if i not entirely accurate in these matters 69 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,610 just know that i know to and you know same things of the terms like 70 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:42,800 free software open source of those type thing 71 00:04:45,970 --> 00:04:51,590 so this guy that some of you may not heard of and that is already 72 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:56,650 in the first few minutes of his presentation you can speaking in such a coupons 73 00:04:56,650 --> 00:05:04,220 and from so i've image of them except for i was always doing these kinds 74 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:08,210 of things i've most of my in career and if you minister using music and 75 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:09,220 audio tech 76 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:14,170 mostly production rather than you know are open L for instance 77 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:20,650 and i a little bit of programming for all but the one time i did 78 00:05:20,650 --> 00:05:21,680 try to course 79 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:25,330 is two thousand six and it was visual basic six 80 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:31,020 you say i didn't really do any programming after that was a great first impression 81 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:31,690 that 82 00:05:32,820 --> 00:05:33,800 but it's 83 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:35,960 a few years in the college 84 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:40,790 in i don't know how it is elsewhere pretty nice days in your college 85 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,900 not really doing anything so if yours and mine 86 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:46,530 how to do 87 00:05:46,870 --> 00:05:51,120 i'm reinstalling windows and slapped i know just installed or what's a good happens 88 00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:52,650 and it start 89 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,470 and then about six months later i decided to go and actually you know instead 90 00:05:59,470 --> 00:06:02,650 of just waiting hope you get a triple a job outside to attempt to make 91 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:07,710 games with a couple male friends in the model me i didn't really go anywhere 92 00:06:07,710 --> 00:06:11,630 "'cause" none of us really had experience entire engines and we didn't have money for 93 00:06:11,630 --> 00:06:16,570 like something like unity pro thing like that the only thing that we came out 94 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:20,480 of that are the first like actual open source project they did it was like 95 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,100 project you it was basically to except it was a on other platforms 96 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:31,630 so and then there's another product that we did not of them really went through 97 00:06:31,630 --> 00:06:32,330 or 98 00:06:33,010 --> 00:06:37,830 they were bad enough to write an open source that wants to that so that's 99 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:42,040 the first fourteen go think that you for your do or at least through problem 100 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:47,200 here to do a important for about not even a year and a half a 101 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,980 so not that much time on the other hand in that your to have 102 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:58,000 poured all yees select mass some of them i think it works not for this 103 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,160 their data mac version sensitive something go for linux but all means and then 104 00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:08,780 the three in the bottom of our same problem regarding that's actually are not yet 105 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:11,820 but i'm i can say that i'm working on them and there's of course a 106 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:16,760 lot more than i can talk about is that you things like that the recent 107 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,900 one that's that were speakers all after it was a point against and there are 108 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:26,650 like five dollars thing can get "'em" from next time you know how great 109 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:32,330 no one is you probably noticed a problem because you gotta know how one you 110 00:07:32,330 --> 00:07:36,200 may you may not gotten it for that game but you probably do most of 111 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,100 easy don't know 112 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,640 that's else team in hubble backwards seem to work 113 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:47,330 so i would i problems to earlier but most of the reason that i can 114 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:51,420 do you as much as i did as i sure you know last like this 115 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:53,840 "'cause" these guys whole 116 00:07:54,430 --> 00:07:57,570 i don't in sparta actually get some for 117 00:07:57,890 --> 00:08:00,910 in the first place that we kind of got me do use linux the first 118 00:08:00,910 --> 00:08:01,300 place 119 00:08:01,620 --> 00:08:05,060 so you can kind of thing can for that means different linux really accelerated people 120 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:09,270 who didn't think they're gonna get into a bundle which is pretty typical but hey 121 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:10,640 we can make it works versions 122 00:08:10,930 --> 00:08:12,410 find a guy was one do you 123 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,860 you versions one of those cases 124 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,570 but i know all that or 125 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:23,850 but so you probably want you know actually free open source software in there somewhere 126 00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:27,120 so i don't a lot of that actually the last 127 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:31,720 this year lows was where i did a lot of new projects 128 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:34,970 you know we can see chart because 129 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:41,630 there's a market of sports that was largely unattended which was microsoft X and a 130 00:08:41,630 --> 00:08:46,450 something you might have noticed that microsoft kind of killed acton a are nowhere sort 131 00:08:46,450 --> 00:08:47,950 of and 132 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:53,710 the in people or you know panicking for sweeney exports why any games needs kind 133 00:08:53,710 --> 00:08:57,680 of anything you know what we do you X H do anything it but there 134 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:03,390 is particle wanna game that reimplement so you can send it on multiple platforms is 135 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:04,900 so thing 136 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:11,900 and directly implementation it's phantastic i can their accident some pretty sits down things in 137 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:19,390 getting X in a working every problem is the platform support with absolutely no 138 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:26,360 to the point where like i'll put it this way you could not reliably set 139 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,540 window size 140 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:29,600 twice in a row 141 00:09:30,510 --> 00:09:34,040 you just like if you hit six forty by four eighty it might if it 142 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,730 right again you know the same resolution if you could still we export it was 143 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:40,440 all so 144 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,150 after some various internet arguments and that sort of thing is you find a mailing 145 00:09:45,150 --> 00:09:49,750 list like i said screw it i'm just gonna without their platform code birds break 146 00:09:49,750 --> 00:09:53,540 out the old so that's gonna do it with a skill to which 147 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:58,060 i actually see pretty much every single game i've worked on these just yell if 148 00:09:58,060 --> 00:10:00,240 you're not where to of the best a lot or 149 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,870 if you're going to work in games and it's 150 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:09,690 C plus we're sure you just because it would you about nine percent of the 151 00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:12,970 work you would have to do a lot of be writing to ask which 152 00:10:14,410 --> 00:10:18,560 thank goodness for way one this point hope we i know that's been a topic 153 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:22,380 that's come up for school i mention we have some 154 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:28,750 very popular something somewhat here that a so 155 00:10:29,140 --> 00:10:31,420 we're gonna so if you exercise in because you sure 156 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:36,510 so i still future can be and then created opengl male whining so it's also 157 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:42,610 one library has all see loads of the L dynamically centre about looking and then 158 00:10:42,610 --> 00:10:44,110 one of my games capsized 159 00:10:44,510 --> 00:10:49,150 and then of our somehow mayor on at video playback as microsoft gives you disability 160 00:10:49,150 --> 00:10:53,230 to play windows media video on the X box things you can render it is 161 00:10:53,230 --> 00:10:58,600 texture eighteen i mostly we don't have that so i decided to take you're play 162 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,880 which lets you just really look your files and you can do whatever you want 163 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,930 data not i miss your prep that not i hope that into 164 00:11:06,810 --> 00:11:12,800 on again with a steel to and you could get opengl accelerated video is great 165 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,720 "'cause" i think that pretty video i resolutions is really nice little a and then 166 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,580 all that in the not being the end product was something i called wanna gayness 167 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:25,100 guilty which 168 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,440 basically instead of having be right now we have be windows back and now back 169 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:37,480 and we expect and what is eight back windows i think i think the windows 170 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,100 so and we just go back and all this stuff but nobody cares about so 171 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:46,570 i just made my name is still to which you know that is a one 172 00:11:46,570 --> 00:11:50,860 product for windows mac linux and anything that's for still to you compiled this and 173 00:11:50,860 --> 00:11:55,250 lose a single time input run of the symbols on a windows mac linux with 174 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:58,220 our recompiling and it will work you know be fully comply 175 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:02,510 so for instance when we do say i'm not the application support et cetera et 176 00:12:02,510 --> 00:12:04,930 cetera number next will be the activities that because 177 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:08,390 that's what it should be will be or what 178 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:11,200 and we're trying to pull that and now 179 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,170 you will notice 180 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,090 i don't be one 181 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,890 actually can say i start as part of april and since i just five nine 182 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:27,270 shipping about seven by the in your so it kind of works so the money 183 00:12:27,270 --> 00:12:31,610 in teams now kind of looking to getting them are estimated great about that and 184 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:34,390 we also have a little bit of working market start which is 185 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:36,270 thing is 186 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:40,700 when you have a can see sharp you have to distribute it but people think 187 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:42,180 you should install vinyl euro 188 00:12:42,850 --> 00:12:47,600 that doesn't always work because for so long as you know it's a lot like 189 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,000 a lot of the hardcore linux guys have like arch extremely minimalised mean one is 190 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:52,470 a lot 191 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:57,680 and plus and it's like installing time every time to this packages of map 192 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:00,300 but most games to use all right 193 00:13:00,820 --> 00:13:04,210 so at work right reaction for from 194 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:10,300 which is one of you or original might imports actually not doing well 195 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:18,900 he may just market start environment where the entirety of wanna be contained and i'll 196 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:25,910 like maybe ten see shortly wells into binary files and it's like i think thirty 197 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:30,810 makes you don't strip the binaries it's a significant improvement and it does it means 198 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:35,750 you don't have to have people install tenancy they just want to run again i 199 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:36,070 don't 200 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:37,720 so 201 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,300 i know that an export that and some other stuff 202 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:43,990 you can export i so 203 00:13:45,970 --> 00:13:50,730 so this is my links this was actually the last like that i have because 204 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:56,200 i am next project as long the because i don't really like using slides i'd 205 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,300 rather just kind of 206 00:13:58,390 --> 00:13:59,840 talk instead of 207 00:14:00,460 --> 00:14:05,020 try having to kind of job between these two things and only you know say 208 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:10,270 one thing double the time to trying to work with the stuff so you know 209 00:14:10,270 --> 00:14:11,150 those are our links 210 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,190 and you can fall amount were and all these things 211 00:14:15,690 --> 00:14:20,310 know how to mention earlier their own might get accountable along some other stuff like 212 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:21,210 that for other 213 00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:26,200 so most of what i want to talk about her dress the time is really 214 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:31,130 just general things i come across it's really the operating point where it's you know 215 00:14:31,130 --> 00:14:33,540 a sweeping generalisation what you know perspective let's 216 00:14:33,810 --> 00:14:34,660 because 217 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:41,150 half the reason i get my ports is because can that either don't know what 218 00:14:41,150 --> 00:14:44,830 to do with it or they try and they hated 219 00:14:45,610 --> 00:14:46,410 or 220 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,380 well sometimes it's because they can just afford but that's very rare free in the 221 00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:52,540 independent scene 222 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,440 so a lot of 223 00:14:55,260 --> 00:14:56,790 what i'm gonna be talking about now is 224 00:14:57,390 --> 00:14:58,280 really 225 00:14:59,090 --> 00:15:03,570 how i hell other developers get over those hurdles and things that 226 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,670 are a real pain even for some like i for us that we kind of 227 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:13,710 go we just have to you know do you can figure it make install and 228 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:15,510 all that stuff that other does like 229 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:20,190 channel just use a single installer 230 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:23,440 pretty please on things like that and 231 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:29,410 i have to kind of speech for all those developers use all in that slide 232 00:15:29,410 --> 00:15:31,690 like fifteen or something games 233 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:32,830 because 234 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,220 just one and i can kind of tell stories what they say but 235 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:43,030 or i can kind i have to look at what they say i do you 236 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:46,640 it's like once winter like some wanna be like i cannot this 237 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:51,420 those you know start off for free systems where that's basically what tutors for 238 00:15:52,130 --> 00:15:52,630 and 239 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:56,830 you know kind of soup and that's usually how like my contract we see someone 240 00:15:56,830 --> 00:15:59,990 get mathematics and i don't all do it for you an ace and if you're 241 00:15:59,990 --> 00:16:01,320 angry enough to we see 242 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:04,970 so lot of it 243 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,590 so for anything 244 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:08,840 because 245 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:14,130 so i don't wanna like start going on a horrible rambling mess but 246 00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:19,540 some trying to make it on what i'm trying to stretch and was structure but 247 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:23,290 one of the 248 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:26,120 i have the what's think about development from 249 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,300 perspective of someone who uses like visual studio the whole time or discover what you 250 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:36,150 hold time and they just kind of have everything 251 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:41,790 trent it's all pink to that where the only thing they know about compiling stuff 252 00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:45,240 we don't like a come the idea other compilers like the thing that knows that 253 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,040 you when you get a semicolon 254 00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:51,570 well it's not a program you run it's a little have says bills 255 00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:56,290 and so it's we have stuff like model and all that sort of does that 256 00:16:56,290 --> 00:17:00,260 but for a lot of that six each are quite in are still and you 257 00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:04,480 know and a proper native language that's it's you may 258 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:05,570 one 259 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:07,750 but 260 00:17:08,930 --> 00:17:10,070 in we don't really have 261 00:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,070 we don't have a community that 262 00:17:15,430 --> 00:17:16,590 really 263 00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:22,020 simplifies that because we do you guys think is when we see someone say this 264 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:25,310 on the socks and i don't know to do the first thing we do is 265 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:25,820 neutral 266 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:28,890 it's always like the you know did you 267 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:30,000 do you have 268 00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:37,200 do what are this is less or whatever they whatever someone has a problem it's 269 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,050 always what's try to fix the problem bit by bit instead of you know why 270 00:17:42,050 --> 00:17:46,430 was this problem and what can we did not have a problem for instance 271 00:17:48,410 --> 00:17:49,650 the issue that 272 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:53,320 i've we terriers hands which is hexagon where 273 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:57,550 i don't he you can problems "'cause" you didn't wanna 274 00:17:58,490 --> 00:18:03,010 you i think use developing on a map so complexity most sensible option 275 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,290 and we can time to make still he just are just use the code what 276 00:18:08,290 --> 00:18:09,870 project problem is 277 00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:16,610 how cool blocks most let's go you just use at get for young 278 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:17,800 you know 279 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:18,840 i 280 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:20,540 and 281 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,320 or as some people will go at the usually the first thing someone says as 282 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,840 you ask and then that is an you can just for were something ridiculous 283 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:31,220 and 284 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,200 you know or lack of ability to focus on what the problem is instead of 285 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,330 like these underlying things like you know if your problem is that you using the 286 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:47,280 but you know sometimes that makes sense and depending on how good murders when it 287 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,090 comes out that they actually make sense but 288 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:55,070 you wanna be able to say 289 00:18:57,530 --> 00:19:01,430 it's you what you wanna be able to say you know this is a well 290 00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:03,770 i you can either say i know how to fix it and i can do 291 00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:05,650 it for you and you know 292 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:09,910 and sometimes if we have a lot of time to say no or even better 293 00:19:09,910 --> 00:19:13,720 because they don't wanna spend one it's a you know if you're especially for you 294 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,800 guys i see most of you are golfers of desktop software and things like that 295 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,100 so you should be able to say 296 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,910 what's the problem just like if you see someone again but first problem complain about 297 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:25,210 it you write it down some 298 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:26,860 and you go okay 299 00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:30,690 if i'm to make a tool for this person that would make it better or 300 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:36,160 if there's some component about single inferences that supposed to do that and they couldn't 301 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,880 figure out that it with vigour 302 00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:39,980 a how can we 303 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:48,020 make it is that it's it immediately here because with microsoft's like it's history a 304 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:52,280 "'cause" that's what everybody thank you can you can you must use like mean G 305 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,230 W or something ridiculous that nobody will use 306 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,210 so 307 00:19:59,030 --> 00:19:59,700 and 308 00:20:00,130 --> 00:20:02,920 not kind of in exploring a little bit where 309 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,330 one the products that i and i don't really think that all have been using 310 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:07,950 one's motives which is 311 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,640 well i think when you make game make saw for 312 00:20:13,060 --> 00:20:20,080 you have to have are but are able something always of stuff when notice that 313 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:26,110 not only i know something seconds else comes the really nice interface to so you 314 00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:30,280 can tell when someone is talking you just you know you 315 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,430 you say that executable you run and then you go three steps with and that's 316 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:39,170 pretty for the user but one of the worst think numbers so that is that 317 00:20:39,170 --> 00:20:42,000 trying to if you're if you're not familiar with that trying to make "'em" are 318 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,370 just a package is 319 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,150 is insane and 320 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,310 i haven't spoken with right about this yet but i kind of want to it's 321 00:20:51,310 --> 00:20:56,360 like imagine i like i put it in the king dollars prospering i say you 322 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,950 know you go to set put this is examples then you run build and hopefully 323 00:20:59,950 --> 00:21:00,420 should work 324 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:07,570 and of course nobody you know bingo brisket be if you're not really with linux 325 00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:11,550 it's we have trouble installing linux there are gonna be able to go to figure 326 00:21:11,550 --> 00:21:15,830 out you know how to make words that package when there's all these steps that 327 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:20,240 are a lot that are completely unnecessary when you could just on so i kind 328 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,420 of want to be able to 329 00:21:22,420 --> 00:21:27,020 for instance because where you're trying to make a package you get like again a 330 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:28,910 description and then 331 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:34,200 maybe install actually not just of racks things like that i mean you really important 332 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,550 and they should be things that 333 00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:37,870 i wanna be like 334 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,300 the apple that methodology words like you know even in any one user or you 335 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:43,990 know it's 336 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:47,110 you wanna be understand "'cause" a lot of it is 337 00:21:49,630 --> 00:21:50,050 "'cause" 338 00:21:51,030 --> 00:21:55,220 you that you had over if you a lot of U S folders knowing when 339 00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:58,780 you're struggling with something that's supposed to be fairly basic the last thing you want 340 00:21:58,780 --> 00:22:02,480 is for someone to be like all i are you having problems that's but what 341 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,670 was adults of for you just you know 342 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:06,980 you want you want to 343 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,860 when making tools for that's all you're making a build environments or any sort of 344 00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:13,860 thing you want to do this 345 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:14,860 to 346 00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:21,850 so it's easy not because you saw it's easy because that's what it's supposed to 347 00:22:21,850 --> 00:22:26,100 be a "'cause" I S that offers it's like 348 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:30,150 okay but that's not this kind of supposed to be easy to use are supposed 349 00:22:30,150 --> 00:22:32,650 to know how to launch a haitian 350 00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:34,820 like it's a really basic that 351 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,510 in 352 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:42,240 you know sometimes we require like polarise i know three 353 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,410 it's probably i don't know "'cause" i was using don't you for version of your 354 00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:51,260 time and then for fifteen came out and that's when gnome three happened so 355 00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:56,620 i don't know how long are do is that possible i'm assuming it was agony 356 00:22:56,620 --> 00:23:03,320 and it's probably still is trying to recover but you know that probably was a 357 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,690 lot of us mean actually that's a question i should ask this is 358 00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:09,790 this is serious question because i know 359 00:23:10,540 --> 00:23:15,100 there probably actually ask people know when some actually very curious this like be honest 360 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:18,190 i know there are new people in here but you just have to be brave 361 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:21,710 permit how many action use gnome regularly hands 362 00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:24,890 guess i was wrong 363 00:23:26,010 --> 00:23:27,030 "'cause" like 364 00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:29,010 i'm glad i'm 365 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:34,180 you was weird "'cause" like i remember what we were thinking about what i and 366 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,280 you really nine ski like 367 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,700 where you know use like awesome for us 368 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:45,190 to be fair i mostly use cinnamon used a special is not task 369 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,290 basic is known so but 370 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,050 i'm hoping to go back some but you know 371 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,570 i 372 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,860 but 373 00:23:56,350 --> 00:23:59,960 it was we're "'cause" and the other thing was when i was 374 00:24:00,430 --> 00:24:04,650 getting to talk together i asked liked where are those people like what you will 375 00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:07,790 like i'm doing this thing is the gnome conference what you want me to talk 376 00:24:07,790 --> 00:24:08,360 about 377 00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:11,980 like this is right bonus points know okay nothing 378 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:15,650 no skin your why because 379 00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:20,190 and i actually ask people like i think people i know like they're people that 380 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:23,120 one your mentions list like they give a pen you opinion i'm like 381 00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:28,590 you really have no idea for a top like a topic like anything no like 382 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:33,340 who cares about their first court your first even if you caters "'cause" it know 383 00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:37,780 reports that or comes up the last one in it's here 384 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:42,830 and i'm very classy the numbers high that's because it's i know conference and that 385 00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:44,190 you wear but 386 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,130 i 387 00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:49,930 it's it would be a for shane if something that was 388 00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:54,350 that if something that was a meeting standard it's just some you know what the 389 00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:59,270 way specially what we have things like unity are and all these new that's like 390 00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:03,850 cinnamon make all these branches know everywhere and 391 00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:09,600 but when the last thing that we should be doing is point especially when all 392 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,980 this starts happening likes T and you know someone's getting bigger and bigger and bigger 393 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:16,990 and where were fragmenting more than ever 394 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,550 it's insane 395 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:24,370 you know you would work so that's that sounds like class someone use it and 396 00:25:24,370 --> 00:25:26,020 then made differently assays 397 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:28,790 no started or 398 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:32,950 or some inane thing like that when 399 00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:34,310 you know 400 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,050 you can point about little things like one place 401 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,360 is 402 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,300 or fragmentation the justification like is like you like is that like 403 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,700 would does little whiner things just five making an entirely new that's 404 00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:58,010 likes like at least cinnamon it's original like for was just extensions for known three 405 00:25:58,010 --> 00:26:01,530 you know pretty cool in its kind of a shame they had to branch off 406 00:26:01,530 --> 00:26:02,100 and 407 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:06,930 i think the replacement every for you can like the login screen they're replacing they 408 00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:09,260 like they're getting really serious 409 00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:11,590 but 410 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:17,510 it's really it's really disheartening when 411 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:24,060 a community that was doing like words not desktop industrials a and at a time 412 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:25,710 when in of awkward 413 00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:32,660 but exist commercially viable to some degree see exactly try installing linux are working legs 414 00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:36,490 and the first thing we do in the same timeframe this fragment one desktop into 415 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:37,070 a 416 00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:38,310 it's 417 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,850 i 418 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,540 so especially 419 00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:52,560 it would there's all these doctors like it's a it's a perfect storm just like 420 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,140 complete and help us 421 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,370 and 422 00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:02,240 and it's one of those things were even if one thing was improve to be 423 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,650 better like maybe we could have seven desktop environments if we could just agree that 424 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:12,530 maybe someone will like it even if you don't like really basic training but we 425 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:16,480 could be doing here improve on just is click is developers 426 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:17,740 you know 427 00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:21,950 we development event of sanctions you know source product like if 428 00:27:22,570 --> 00:27:26,910 someone doesn't like this thing and you can fix it than should probably except for 429 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:27,270 them 430 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,770 bonus points for you 431 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:30,810 well 432 00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:33,530 a lot of linux users 433 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,370 but don't have 434 00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:40,070 data do it they just don't care about that they don't wanna that whatever 435 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:41,210 i mean 436 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:42,380 so 437 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,540 even if you're at all or intended we are like supposed to be like the 438 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:51,130 higher or like just the thing is you more the higher so 439 00:27:51,790 --> 00:27:55,010 we really anyone it where developer user need to 440 00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:57,520 we just need to figure out 441 00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:59,120 how to 442 00:27:59,490 --> 00:28:05,360 have the slightest civilised conversation about the sort of things people who are just right 443 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:09,280 like that right click the dressing you're trying to like this is the you we're 444 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,090 desperately trying everything is fighting against you 445 00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:13,550 it's like it's like a 446 00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:16,850 i think that's and gamers 447 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:18,620 sure hands again 448 00:28:21,550 --> 00:28:23,230 well there's always that 449 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,340 your story we are trying to like be very are like really don't to like 450 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:32,240 see some you one of them up like you're rooting for this thing you saw 451 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,170 the trailer and you play or you see it and it's 452 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:37,140 sauce 453 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,120 and you're like and your brain is trying to go would know this is okay 454 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,150 though that that's not for and all those are 455 00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:52,200 but that other thing is dumber than existing okay all these things we could be 456 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,290 that are just not 457 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,540 that 458 00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:59,220 or suppose like make us feel better but first one i don't if you better 459 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:02,230 and then it everybody else are in your 460 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,290 for gained a particular there at because 461 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:13,470 blooming great linux gaming a really long time it's a it's terribly V the them 462 00:29:13,470 --> 00:29:16,040 happens at full force 463 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,470 it's awful it's 464 00:29:18,670 --> 00:29:22,010 it's actually pretty terrible for porters as well because 465 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:27,600 when you see a rat for someone's game one might seem you need to we 466 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,480 wanna linux version if 467 00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:32,420 the community itself is not 468 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:39,790 if they make it out we were even if you gotta making it and they 469 00:29:39,790 --> 00:29:44,720 make some money if that people the customers you're getting to come out come off 470 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,650 as like it 471 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:50,880 so maybe in like triple A where you know customers forwards put you on hold 472 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,530 not you will take money anyway but independent as well words like me support or 473 00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:59,500 any other i did we're to okay you know 474 00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:00,580 if it 475 00:30:01,130 --> 00:30:03,030 if they don't wanna do it just celine "'cause" 476 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520 the community itself socks where 477 00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:10,490 do you look ninety nine percent what makes lex great every say is the community 478 00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:16,340 if the community looks like a sauce then they probably you want what surrounds 479 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,080 so 480 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,990 it's really important that 481 00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:27,830 if we're going to you know put up community ask this as like the leading 482 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:32,350 that it's kind of important we make sure the communities actually you're gonna do that 483 00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:33,640 "'cause" we it it's 484 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:35,430 experiments liars 485 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:38,710 it's not cool 486 00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:46,480 criminals that i'm trying to not think into that too much going to i think 487 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,880 you get it's like 488 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,280 don't be initiate on the internet don't be like and if the you don't 489 00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:57,860 make don't make one problem that somebody has been to set 490 00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:03,320 he either you know the solution that is one solution it's great for us to 491 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,680 me solutions and you could say there's a lot of maybe someone 492 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:10,870 you had find help or you computer guy goes 493 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,830 i can diffuse and how just you know mean i can i have this thing 494 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:17,600 you're having trouble with i can help 495 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:19,840 that's my job for instance 496 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:22,480 so enough about 497 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:30,380 okay getting all up in arms about community so like i know something trying talk 498 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:32,570 about loaded up stuff to 499 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:34,950 so 500 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,410 so i small you just tell the i'm sick it's gonna see so 501 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,880 anybody here explicitly working on real and 502 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,990 okay or 503 00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:48,220 that's kind of slide 504 00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:51,950 actually 505 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,740 so i mean don't have anybody doing anything with more 506 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,420 okay 507 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:02,730 i 508 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,470 well 509 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:09,840 i it's weird "'cause" i "'cause" like this is 510 00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:13,340 that seems to be that your words finally starting to 511 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:16,840 it's a shame that it's it looks like we're with kind of thing that kind 512 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,560 of set all it we should work on this new success attacks thing it just 513 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,160 peacemaker socks i don't know it does 514 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:27,700 i heard that song announcement in happened like how it was pretty much 515 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:32,420 objectively wrong in a lot of ways that either i did your about it all 516 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:35,620 i know is that shipping about two thirteen ten i to what they're doing 517 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:36,770 well 518 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,780 well i think it's all really not so i think i think i think you 519 00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:46,970 can like look at what they're doing but they're telling anybody 520 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:52,440 never telling me i think that i think if you that 521 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:59,870 i'm assuming we it's not contributed just roll for maybe like here if you guys 522 00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:00,840 fronting like crazy 523 00:33:02,650 --> 00:33:03,290 well like 524 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,800 we should as it it's going to be in a major just grow by default 525 00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:12,580 like i want to the twenty thirteen ten when we shipping you are by default 526 00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:13,640 i 527 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:19,070 maybe go back to one side only X performances and break that's the one thing 528 00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:20,540 i've heard but 529 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:25,380 you know fact is we can so we went which most of us ready for 530 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,140 actually i suppose all you because 531 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,770 four point one okay 532 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,080 okay that's really good because 533 00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:41,720 you know it in a race where the base is that weird the base feature 534 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760 is that hey it's not yes 535 00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:47,700 it pretty much means you we in so at that point the racist you can 536 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,450 get a first and it looks like 537 00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:56,240 you're right i kinda sound like kind of the way what i am stories myself 538 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,580 i don't care which one works as long as it got really sorry in your 539 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:03,110 time 540 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,820 so 541 00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,410 it's i think is if you 542 00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:12,410 if not it was gonna be way on one time you have to make it 543 00:34:12,410 --> 00:34:15,520 you have to you have to be than some it's you have to like it 544 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,800 and some other way if you if will wants to be standing everyone's like everyone's 545 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,670 madam are some i'm saying if you want to have an event or then 546 00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:28,170 and they have time just like nine percent i'm saying 547 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,590 even if like if you if we don't works to some degree start making out 548 00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:36,350 if they're libraries that have like an X pac and make a will back for 549 00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:40,360 like and still too right now use it has will and that and works great 550 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,230 all like if you might ports you just deal to like volume fifty of these 551 00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:48,060 are because replace my love that's the L one that we don't write it should 552 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:53,520 work and if there are any libraries like that's the mel are things that have 553 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,520 that's the thing you should take it back and forty two working with will because 554 00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:04,090 "'cause" very down there are really any apps for i and when someone puts therefore 555 00:35:04,090 --> 00:35:08,360 down to our faults manager is this 556 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,840 that force them to have use that 557 00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:17,140 that if you are like well not really making immersed now when one thirteen ten 558 00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:23,250 comes out when they're phone stuff and i don't know that much about the model-space 559 00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:28,310 are there that you we're gonna finally you know go okay i guess i have 560 00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:28,700 now 561 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,200 actually is it 562 00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:40,910 wow 563 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:47,360 okay i 564 00:35:49,090 --> 00:35:50,580 maybe if 565 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,540 but if you're reading i 566 00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:54,600 but 567 00:35:58,830 --> 00:36:01,980 top notch market which 568 00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:04,160 yes get 569 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,310 so i mean the thing is it's reasonable to the highway and does not really 570 00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:12,470 of the old things 571 00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:16,970 they wanna use like their library that may only may have terrible export 572 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:20,870 if you want to just make a linux version would and just have like a 573 00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:25,180 testing like again if you want to work and like a really driver still it 574 00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:30,500 works maybe there's some buttons have a what if there's a problem again it's just 575 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:35,210 a still to really thing in texas and the more libraries that have that sort 576 00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:35,860 is for 577 00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:40,070 you could be we'll and i'm saying i'm saying like we were a lot but 578 00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:44,020 we can see and he does not software for anything the software that has a 579 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:45,980 global stuff and 580 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:49,840 there's a library to a lot of to use but it doesn't use your stuff 581 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,310 you should work on that like it's a it's a break 582 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,680 "'cause" one of the like 583 00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:59,670 you see like in like linux new lot like but it's amazing wailing that and 584 00:36:59,670 --> 00:37:00,530 it's like a 585 00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:06,030 to the rendering of like a triangle it's "'cause" it's like that's like the best 586 00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:09,480 thing to do it's like they have to rate of what sell trying to mean 587 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,300 example when they're probably kind of examples you have 588 00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:13,730 and 589 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,280 you if you just right if you just make a use make your 590 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,910 whatever software this use the popular library you can say well it's fair this morning 591 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:26,390 and we would like 592 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:28,710 people pay attention to that like when 593 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,050 when i was i didn't see any like we are using still on someone writing 594 00:37:34,050 --> 00:37:38,430 three right that was really cool people on this remote that this like 595 00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:42,200 i actually came running on this thing as opposed to a we have a cute 596 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,190 little triangle right 597 00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:52,480 you know you someone else trainings your advantage so you know if there's get involve 598 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,930 or 599 00:37:53,490 --> 00:37:57,650 that wants to use when it's in your like what happens that you want me 600 00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:02,390 to get myself working with yours and you want to do anything probably say sure 601 00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:04,470 they'd like the extra attention 602 00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:06,970 and 603 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:12,480 for you know when all these competing back home like to go and right that's 604 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,290 the other thing that's all that's all people that brave people are leaving G T 605 00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:17,750 K for keeps 606 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:22,250 Q T i don't know how it's fine which one that's but you know if 607 00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:23,160 that's true 608 00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:26,790 then you gotta find something that needs 609 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:31,360 like a an interface percent of the source and you'd interface make it easy katie 610 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,470 thing for like show how would you do okay 611 00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:40,340 ins you know it's not it's not good enough to just say we have a 612 00:38:40,340 --> 00:38:41,130 lady i 613 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:44,200 what we use it 614 00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:52,560 you don't wanna say are for anything that people like asking he speaks publicly it's 615 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:52,890 like 616 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:57,500 you don't want to be black you want to have a definitive answer 617 00:38:58,190 --> 00:39:02,020 like what games you just killed to a lot of things in the contention from 618 00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:05,820 on it once you know what we just don't you will you have three back 619 00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:09,900 and don't mind didn't work this and what in jesus your few i can say 620 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:10,890 keep to use 621 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,440 the entire this one sentence what you might games using the unreal engine use it 622 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,700 now runs you'd unreal sports that you just be able to all reports and we 623 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,120 have actual evidence 624 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,080 and 625 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,360 you know you have like 626 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:31,870 that was enough for it and say okay we will actually include your version 627 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,180 so 628 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,330 the thing is developers 629 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:41,190 we think that is going over time to come to us but i think if 630 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:45,440 you really great if i still course you are before so passionate about our a 631 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,000 we should be able to say we have this really cool thing and we like 632 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,860 to like help you 633 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:53,290 because 634 00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:57,720 i don't know 635 00:39:59,890 --> 00:40:02,830 i'm trying to try to come up with a good metaphor for but i mean 636 00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:07,460 you can E I setting lot of i there are some students in here that 637 00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:10,280 are to be looking for jobs at some point you can expect someone to just 638 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:16,170 whole you can be like hey you wanna work for us something like we probably 639 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:19,570 you get your number you have to you have to call them in 640 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,520 be very communicative with 641 00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:27,390 the person who is a higher out like someone is trying to hire you and 642 00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:28,850 you know 643 00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,730 so my the point about this campaign is 644 00:40:33,310 --> 00:40:35,240 as user it as a developer 645 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,070 you have to be able to accommodate developers instead of developers coming and having no 646 00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:44,150 idea what to do and going we'll fix it and fixing fix it and there's 647 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:48,120 gonna have to go through every single step and george through it and they're gonna 648 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:48,470 hate it 649 00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:49,900 so 650 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,860 i think i have a few minutes lots of right to one another horrible attention 651 00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:59,730 i know this is it's you know but i really want a couple questions and 652 00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:00,200 we have 653 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,840 i show a hand made and we any questions at all 654 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:06,440 you know 655 00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:10,310 and there's one year 656 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:15,980 we with a question 657 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,190 anyone 658 00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:20,880 you get any other 659 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:29,070 at a more 660 00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:32,890 i other than graphics stuff 661 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,500 and the will and back and that kind of stuff what sorts of infrastructural stuff 662 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:44,020 from the known games using or is deal fact is the game still really use 663 00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:47,900 anything specific you really don't have much more than at but 664 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:54,080 but that's mostly games but here's yours example where might be really important is where 665 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,880 tools like a lot of game editor like level editors like i know what if 666 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,780 as editor at this point in a lot of as she case we like when 667 00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:06,580 forms were like to use just a little in this to form fits each are 668 00:42:06,580 --> 00:42:07,290 and 669 00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:12,660 you know there's really no way to i mean things you have to port anyway 670 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:13,200 but 671 00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:18,710 like you know when it comes to your faces for editors where moderate want to 672 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:23,320 you just a that's where stuff like you know like G T K last that's 673 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,120 gonna come you know really so the that would be i would see games whatever 674 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,460 you stuff like that but if you want to work with editors like if you're 675 00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:35,480 a martyr in which you have more modern tools on you probably because toolkits more 676 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,000 people "'cause" i mean you detail those work on windows but for some reason people 677 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,910 you gotta find so if you're one of those that's it works on those things 678 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:45,450 she try to find out why 679 00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:47,150 "'cause" i don't know the answer 680 00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:50,360 so 681 00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:52,610 and you know 682 00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:56,990 okay so 683 00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:12,370 the a traditional problem when it comes to game development will seldom be just synchronisation 684 00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:17,620 and the most real deal and the is that's all problem these days 685 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,040 can you actually do five and one O do i'll do from the game developer 686 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,670 the what do you should be able to like was pretty much all my ports 687 00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:31,300 it's ask you all to for everything except on an open a lot of details 688 00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:35,880 fine and i've done it there are very few case right had like write directly 689 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:42,590 also it was fantastic but i can audio these days make people think like 690 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,440 you have to write directly to all the stuff when 691 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:49,240 we have open al smart open solution as well i 692 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,560 and i think if we have some problem select the fact is they do a 693 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,260 pretty good job getting a lot stuff done so audio 694 00:43:56,070 --> 00:43:59,250 you know as much as we well putting up that trying graphic all these back 695 00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:03,320 ends like airlift of each other it's largely saul "'cause" you just told an use 696 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,850 open you know and then it then it doesn't matter the banana works so 697 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:11,790 is always you just say as long as we can agree to the say open 698 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:12,430 air 699 00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:16,450 "'cause" there's really nothing else there is the you use that's right directly told stuff 700 00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:17,680 and now we don't do that anymore 701 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:20,430 so your question 702 00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:24,510 and 703 00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:28,660 i mean if you if you have any questions they don't wanna say here on 704 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,180 okay and i'm here or somewhere around here so you can just talking we are 705 00:44:33,180 --> 00:44:38,600 argue with me or saying mean things me i don't know so 706 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:44,980 thank you all showed up in the what is a blast i'll be here for 707 00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:47,260 the court is just wanna talk "'cause" 708 00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:51,830 you know i mean were days and this is like you know so that was 709 00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:55,740 that's got it from a sob i'm going to hang out you guys are 710 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,040 or see and you have presentations tell help show up to so next one