1 00:00:09,650 --> 00:00:14,660 okay first of this talk was titled with you know being so well positioned and 2 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:17,780 then i was gonna lead into the things that can on has done over the 3 00:00:17,780 --> 00:00:23,280 years to get themselves into the ideal position right now but then after meeting with 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,120 people on the first day the conference 5 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:30,540 i realised that it would be more aptly titled do good known know that there's 6 00:00:30,540 --> 00:00:33,300 a well position and did you plan it this way 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,720 and there is so much i 8 00:00:39,850 --> 00:00:44,120 so much background to this that i'm going to try to speak slowly so you 9 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,540 understand but quickly with the content 10 00:00:48,330 --> 00:00:52,420 this could feel they could go and so the things i'd like to cover is 11 00:00:52,420 --> 00:00:57,580 who's behind gonna linux hardware why this hardware matter it looks like the screen sizes 12 00:00:57,580 --> 00:00:57,910 of 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,150 and most important 14 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:06,320 how to make got can globally well now before 15 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:10,770 i start i need to give you a disclaimer globally loved first 16 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:16,700 so you see this guy putting a little no but in his pocket this was 17 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:21,160 the first know book that we got to build at all we have level ourselves 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:21,760 in china 19 00:01:22,210 --> 00:01:26,320 and it was so find you wonder you know do people like the laptops or 20 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,510 building or they appealing because we want to have that 21 00:01:29,970 --> 00:01:35,280 that feeling where you love your laptops laptop becomes very much for your life 22 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,060 and this is the first conference we brought that at the this was the tail 23 00:01:39,060 --> 00:01:40,060 pro et one 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,140 and a guy tried to take it 25 00:01:42,910 --> 00:01:45,050 if not gonna there's pockets like a 26 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:49,730 some like that was that was that's the sign of being well loved if somebody 27 00:01:49,730 --> 00:01:52,780 actively tries to grab it 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,550 were aiming for sleek beautiful high and 29 00:01:57,310 --> 00:02:01,470 and that's what we hope you know is aiming for also actually your you have 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:02,670 so 31 00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:07,160 i need to give you disclaimer as a hardware manufacturer generally we don't read the 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,370 news we're not aware of the 33 00:02:10,470 --> 00:02:11,190 drama 34 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,020 the things that go on the things that are said feeling sort of are all 35 00:02:15,020 --> 00:02:19,770 that the reason why is back in two thousand six two thousand seven we started 36 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:23,710 i realised that i had two choices i can follow the news 37 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:28,270 deal with the issues or i can build hardware 38 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:32,140 and i decided to build hardware "'cause" it's pretty and it's fun 39 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:38,020 so sometimes people have a hard time understanding wait a minute this blond chick from 40 00:02:38,020 --> 00:02:44,670 california couldn't possibly build computers or be behind the company that builds computers yes this 41 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:45,450 is what we build 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,120 these things hardware 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,960 although we were close hardware and software this is our company we built a little 44 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,460 shop in berkeley california we decided to settle in berkeley because is the only city 45 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:01,570 specifically identified with the distraught 46 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:08,740 we have in to build to be small light and we the goal is not 47 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:12,960 to build a large campus i grew up near microsoft ice other campus to go 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,230 over the landscape we live near tell again to cover landscape we wanna small light 49 00:03:18,230 --> 00:03:21,060 we and local because that's how for you know in this bill it's but one 50 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:21,770 person time 51 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:27,110 we will have messing with the hardware we do work on all levels well i 52 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:30,810 say we're a harbour builder we also do have to mess with the software but 53 00:03:30,810 --> 00:03:35,850 although we do not make any changes we make we send upstream we do not 54 00:03:35,850 --> 00:03:37,800 keep any proprietary code and house 55 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:43,640 we have a lot of fun building what we build and rebuild it specifically 56 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:46,600 for work just like you do to scratch an itch 57 00:03:48,310 --> 00:03:50,370 although when i got to me with karen 58 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:54,660 and one of my first questions was well want my second question was 59 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,650 why do you do what you do there's got to be a personal reason there's 60 00:03:58,650 --> 00:04:02,870 probably a very personal reason behind what all of us do 61 00:04:03,650 --> 00:04:07,660 and my personal reason is that it's good for us and it's good for our 62 00:04:07,660 --> 00:04:12,800 family my husband and i found that the company we found that this community by 63 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,430 in general was a very happy friendly place for us for example 64 00:04:17,940 --> 00:04:23,820 well links foundation invited me to an invite only event again right near wall street 65 00:04:23,820 --> 00:04:28,690 on in manhattan it was very high and event most of the people there running 66 00:04:28,690 --> 00:04:31,250 multimillion multibillion dollar companies it was 67 00:04:32,630 --> 00:04:36,960 and just to test their strength i asked him can i bring my son 68 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:42,250 just to see how open and welcoming they work and sure enough not only they 69 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:44,750 welcomed but the people attending also welcome them 70 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,030 we've been welcomed at conferences 71 00:04:47,690 --> 00:04:50,750 we've been welcomed in this is our oldest son 72 00:04:51,910 --> 00:04:53,750 he's the reason why we started 73 00:04:54,380 --> 00:04:57,220 a whole second all the sun is the reason why start is reason in the 74 00:04:57,220 --> 00:05:01,510 first place and just as a quick intro "'cause" i don't recognise most of you 75 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:05,680 so super quick interesting you know who we are back in two thousand six our 76 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,790 son cory 77 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,510 wiped one of our machines and put it into on it because you sick of 78 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:13,260 it crashing 79 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:21,020 and i long story short i happened to notice that you had some really cool 80 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:25,950 graphics on screen a he'd installed barrel turn all the effects now companies fusion 81 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:32,140 and it looks really cool and that's how i heard about free open source software 82 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,940 and i said hey 83 00:05:34,770 --> 00:05:36,880 can you do that's all or computers 84 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:40,530 "'cause" of course we had quite a few that so the companies run by me 85 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:45,170 and my husband that we do not deal with that every day work in berkeley 86 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:48,110 or and we also have a shop it is healing covering us relation 87 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:54,040 we get to travel to things like this and do work on a 88 00:05:55,380 --> 00:06:01,060 more philosophical able okay but more important than we are who are the people who 89 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:05,480 are using the code that you've written because we're kind of just to pass through 90 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,950 between you guys and the people who are loading for you know but all sorts 91 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:11,590 of different gestures on their laptops 92 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,270 when we first opened and february two thousand seven 93 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,390 we 94 00:06:18,010 --> 00:06:21,440 founder that most of the people ordering from us were developers it was but we 95 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,040 didn't advertise "'cause" we not that could business 96 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:30,010 but we found that it was mostly developers long time free open source software gonna 97 00:06:30,010 --> 00:06:30,870 linux users 98 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:35,940 they were people who knew what they were doing they were people you had built 99 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:40,870 computers of their own now i brought a bunch of screwdrivers when we first opened 100 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,230 we have the policy of 101 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:49,710 are our warranty it was we reserve you're right on your hardware and so we 102 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:51,640 shipped every computer with a screwdriver 103 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,470 so please 104 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,880 i really messing with because of his machine way to go somebody's appeared anyway 105 00:07:04,270 --> 00:07:09,050 we found that this was the ideal type of persons work with we loved working 106 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:12,520 with developers and it was just fine we worked with a lot of people it 107 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,150 bend and the field for a long time 108 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,420 there's a lot of history we didn't understand but we've comments most of it we 109 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:22,770 see we found that a lot of system administrators of course we're using the various 110 00:07:22,770 --> 00:07:27,610 distress and wanting computers that didn't have to deal with the preinstalled linux we also 111 00:07:27,610 --> 00:07:30,870 found that there were preinstalled windows excuse me 112 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:36,910 we found that there were people of every age and every variety 113 00:07:37,550 --> 00:07:43,670 at one point well at one point we had kid our shop in berkeley isn't 114 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:44,790 open to the public 115 00:07:45,260 --> 00:07:47,680 generally other people stop by 116 00:07:48,290 --> 00:07:51,640 and one day we had a kids stop by use actually a little older than 117 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,800 this guy the source and 118 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:59,660 is about fourteen twelve fourteen is middle school kids a lot even in high school 119 00:07:59,660 --> 00:07:59,930 yet 120 00:08:00,770 --> 00:08:04,550 and he stopped by any said i heard use of computers and we're thinking great 121 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:06,600 this guy's probably gonna break into the store later this light 122 00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:10,920 but he said i'd like to buy a computer and i'd like to buy with 123 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,680 big coins 124 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:13,600 is also the quite bizarre 125 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:15,940 so we're like 126 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:21,140 it's just a kid but those are the types of people that are attracted to 127 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:23,000 the kind of software that you code 128 00:08:23,380 --> 00:08:27,350 and we found that now here's the part that will hopefully what may surprise you 129 00:08:27,790 --> 00:08:31,980 we found a segment of the population that we never anticipated 130 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,930 we had one lady call in the early days who is in her seventies 131 00:08:37,390 --> 00:08:42,940 and her what she did in her retired years is that she helped her older 132 00:08:44,170 --> 00:08:47,630 case in here me such as an or seventies who helped are older friends 133 00:08:48,270 --> 00:08:52,410 what wiped windows and install gnu linux just rose on their machines 134 00:08:52,940 --> 00:08:55,890 and she told me what one friend said that really 135 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,310 struck 136 00:08:59,070 --> 00:09:02,290 but they did have the whole essence of why we do what we do she 137 00:09:02,290 --> 00:09:03,310 said she installed 138 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:09,710 free open source software so that she is because her friend didn't have time to 139 00:09:09,710 --> 00:09:10,720 mess with blue screens 140 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:16,940 when you think about that that's a very humanitarian powerful thing there at the end 141 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:19,440 of their life is people are you know well 142 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:24,810 and they don't have time to mess with bugs now that's i know it's a 143 00:09:24,810 --> 00:09:29,940 very bad things that anyway so but they don't have time and that's the concept 144 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:34,920 that i hope we can take with this is that any incremental changes we make 145 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:40,000 then increase the difficulty of the user interface or other aspects of 146 00:09:42,130 --> 00:09:47,240 the software make it very difficult for people like this we also had one guy 147 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,280 in the early days at least to answer the phone and every now and then 148 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,930 i still go back and answer we had one guy call in any said i 149 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:54,850 have a friend 150 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,450 who helps me whatever i get bugs on my machine so we helps me a 151 00:09:58,450 --> 00:09:59,020 lot 152 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:04,710 and he said he will help me anymore unless i get a machine that's running 153 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:06,380 i dunno debian i forgot what it was 154 00:10:07,090 --> 00:10:10,500 and i thought that was pretty funny just that was he had to do that 155 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:15,990 we also besides regular people we also supply places like lawrence berkeley labs that's in 156 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:20,100 berkeley california that's where many of the elements on the periodic table were discovered it's 157 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:24,650 the main research lab funded by the department of energy by the us government we 158 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:31,810 also an or something new zealand we settled here catalyst which is a large global 159 00:10:31,810 --> 00:10:39,340 software company aimed at only for an open source and they're amazing big do amazing 160 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:39,990 work at 161 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:43,340 promoting it we've also helped various parts of fedex 162 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:46,140 who need data crunching machines 163 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,650 also jet propulsion labs funds nasa 164 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:57,760 we've also helps and the school labs now we are so grateful that we are 165 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,120 not only by anybody we have said no to investors and so it's just my 166 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,680 husband and i and this point we haven't found any investors to 167 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:13,870 understand the history as they don't understand is goods we do then no 168 00:11:15,950 --> 00:11:19,660 but for example we had a school come to us and say we need thirty 169 00:11:19,660 --> 00:11:21,460 computers in here the specs 170 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,420 and we said that's wonderful but did you know you can get them for free 171 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:27,000 at the computer recycling centre 172 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:31,140 now normally a business can't do that they have to take the order and go 173 00:11:31,140 --> 00:11:34,050 through it but since we are privately owned we can do that 174 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:38,180 but we do give but we do fund other schools with 175 00:11:38,770 --> 00:11:39,900 parent machines 176 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:45,950 and were able to support there are some of course a surprising number of children 177 00:11:45,950 --> 00:11:48,950 use machines that you can't really see but the computer in the bottom right and 178 00:11:48,950 --> 00:11:53,460 whatever in than areas that has the lights inside and people buy them as night 179 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:54,570 lights for their children 180 00:11:56,130 --> 00:12:00,940 "'cause" they're pretty red lights we like but we found that all yes 181 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:03,290 second 182 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:10,470 no actually no we're now we don't i that's our daughter it just can't keep 183 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:12,280 that's great as you just once it's inside 184 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:18,030 so why haven't you heard of us and because we fly under the radar we're 185 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:23,620 building a very solid base most silicon valley companies prefer to boom and bust they 186 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:24,840 get their big 187 00:12:26,050 --> 00:12:30,190 you know i figure investors and 188 00:12:30,590 --> 00:12:32,820 but what we'd rather grow for the long term 189 00:12:34,810 --> 00:12:40,410 so far working on north america that's done that covered astral asia we have a 190 00:12:40,410 --> 00:12:43,080 covered next are setting up shop in london 191 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,040 well like i said we're little 192 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:52,390 where it eve at compared to the other builders out there only to other builders 193 00:12:52,390 --> 00:12:58,080 that are building that are that are in the global coverage for getting linux machines 194 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,480 at least that i know of that as an system seventy six system seventy six 195 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,710 is focused only on are going to so we don't consider them a competitor we 196 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:12,420 work with any viable distraught keeping in mind that some of those people i showed 197 00:13:12,420 --> 00:13:17,090 you earlier are the people who are getting the machines the machines can't have bugs 198 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:18,420 they can have 199 00:13:18,850 --> 00:13:23,540 major obstacles that you need to overcome when they open the machine they needed to 200 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:24,280 just work 201 00:13:25,690 --> 00:13:27,320 that's they needed to 202 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,480 sorry using somebody else's tech raise their so back and we're now we're now and 203 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,070 number two why this hardware matter okay when i came here in the first day 204 00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:40,470 i looked around to see what computers people are using "'cause" that's what a geek 205 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:41,510 you heard reject us 206 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,790 send i look like twenty five percent they'll twenty five percent know about twenty five 207 00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:51,130 percent apple twenty five percent other but can you raise your hand for 208 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,700 i'm sure many of you on more than one laptop but i raise your hand 209 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:57,950 for every type of laptop you own wanted out 210 00:14:00,550 --> 00:14:01,380 okay 211 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:04,140 okay who wants one double 212 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,020 wow 213 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,130 good quality hardware apple 214 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,730 okay other 215 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:19,000 cool okay that's relatively balance a little bit more a little bit off from what 216 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,710 i thought thank you 217 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:24,600 systematic your C K Y this hardware matter 218 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:26,850 now it's my guess 219 00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:31,170 that most of you don't really care what hardware you buy you just wanted to 220 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:34,390 work you want to be solid and you do you don't wanna have issues with 221 00:14:34,390 --> 00:14:34,650 it 222 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:44,850 you don't believe hardware matters that's okay most people don't believe it matters that's just 223 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:48,410 a from my point of view i misunderstood a massive 224 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:50,880 painfully large misunderstanding 225 00:14:53,150 --> 00:14:53,840 earlier 226 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,450 this year 227 00:14:57,110 --> 00:15:00,190 last year earlier last year 228 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,220 i had a long conversation with cory doctor of it was i think sixty three 229 00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:09,780 emails back and forth and back and forth my only goal in the email was 230 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:11,540 to convince and the hardware matters 231 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:17,440 he ended up writing essentially a love letter about our company online which would have 232 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,730 been nice if we shipped computers to the people in who most 233 00:15:22,260 --> 00:15:27,190 prefix column we got a lot of people in europe saying i still 234 00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:35,640 so but my main the thing i got from that conversation is that it's 235 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,040 there's the only way i was able to convince and the hardware matters with by 236 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,420 talking about U E F I secure but now i'm sure you've heard about it 237 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,530 and if you understand i'm sick you have a secure grip on a deep 238 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:53,390 level then you could you know for about 239 00:15:54,070 --> 00:15:54,970 a minute half 240 00:15:55,410 --> 00:15:58,980 if not i'm gonna give a quick summary of a talk i gave it fast 241 00:15:58,980 --> 00:15:59,510 down 242 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,280 earlier this year about you have five 243 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,640 you have fight is hardwired into the motherboard 244 00:16:07,820 --> 00:16:12,380 it is you have five replaces the bios 245 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:16,890 it's in between operating system which you guys deal with 246 00:16:17,460 --> 00:16:21,450 and hard one from where the hardware which we deal with and the from or 247 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:22,820 which the companies deal with 248 00:16:24,730 --> 00:16:30,640 the heart of the bios the original code what it does what you have what 249 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,260 the bias what you if i does is it helps all video cards look like 250 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:39,120 video cards it helps all memory sticks or like every six all it helps 251 00:16:40,890 --> 00:16:43,250 and a manufacturing level and also helps 252 00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:48,920 on a developer level the bias was written back and these are the hottest coolest 253 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,070 machines you can build 254 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:55,320 the fact that it is last in this is mind boggling 255 00:16:56,220 --> 00:17:00,740 but the truth is that the original by also so poorly specified i look 256 00:17:01,490 --> 00:17:05,810 they needed updates "'cause" it was causing you headaches and it was causing the owens 257 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:11,160 the goal of U E F I was admirable but the implementation leaves a lot 258 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,310 to be desired is the nicest thing that's a quote from my husband earl as 259 00:17:15,310 --> 00:17:17,000 the nicest thing you can possibly say 260 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:25,360 essentially secure do is just a little blob of code within you if i and 261 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:29,240 it's encryption key that checks to see if drivers are certified with the matching key 262 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,490 and the only execute certified code 263 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:34,210 now 264 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,590 that sounds like it would increase security on your system right 265 00:17:39,570 --> 00:17:42,660 and it does the security can be good and security can be bad 266 00:17:43,670 --> 00:17:45,000 because who's the gatekeeper 267 00:17:46,820 --> 00:17:51,820 well here's what's happened so far actually even before two thousand eleven two thousand twelve 268 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:54,610 systems are shipping with you have i no one really noticed 269 00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:58,200 we saw it but that's only "'cause" working williams 270 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,170 in august two thousand twelve was when my alarms all of our alarms at building 271 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:09,100 level one off because you have can be computers are shipping programs are shipping with 272 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:10,090 you if i enabled 273 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:13,680 most of desktop motherboards have you have i 274 00:18:14,430 --> 00:18:17,950 many of the laptop motherboards had you have five servers the same but there already 275 00:18:17,950 --> 00:18:23,360 lockdown environment doesn't really affect them as much tablets have a different architecture are doesn't 276 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,070 have a by also no you have five or at phones what harm and some 277 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:30,190 laptops which is the crown book use corporate so hopeless super quick snaps 278 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:35,750 now there are a few solutions that work with secure be now 279 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,680 so that you can avoid 280 00:18:39,390 --> 00:18:42,440 to get avoid am some a lot can issues you can use a tool to 281 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,080 generate your private key a lot of work only people like the people in this 282 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,080 room would enjoy doing that you "'cause" i don't know a stream of the private 283 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,410 key where you can put a public key and the bias you have five but 284 00:18:53,410 --> 00:18:54,690 you have to have traction for that one 285 00:18:56,060 --> 00:19:01,380 here's a potential who knows if this is how it will progress but it potential 286 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:06,830 this is what i'm still you read this one this is what companies when they 287 00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:10,200 sit down in the border and they say okay what's our long term plan what's 288 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,110 our end goal 289 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:14,280 what are we aiming for 290 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:16,150 and that's 291 00:19:16,540 --> 00:19:19,690 the goal for you if i adoption 292 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:26,810 now i owe em level so what we do is 293 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:30,620 we go to the factories right now we don't build their own motherboards of course 294 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:32,000 but we go to the factories 295 00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:37,050 and we have depending on the size in the order the bigger the order them 296 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,750 or say we have and how it's built 297 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,550 we have five built and you have to do 298 00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:51,080 a pretty large order to convince censorship it with secure be turned off 299 00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:52,760 or the thing so if 300 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:58,100 but it's change the world's change from when you could go and just buy a 301 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:03,110 laptop wipe it and install your favourite is true every windows a machine now ships 302 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:04,060 was secure bit enable 303 00:20:04,930 --> 00:20:06,420 so yes 304 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,440 used to be the power of the individual we use to be able to do 305 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,210 that so now if you want to build a really cool machine like used to 306 00:20:13,210 --> 00:20:16,360 be able to do you get a bunch this is jan about ten thousand people 307 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,580 model and the shot of course but if you wanna get about that many people 308 00:20:20,580 --> 00:20:24,390 who want the exact same specs you do and order some computers who go for 309 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:28,500 it or we need to belittle supply chain in order to support harder the works 310 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,310 so how do you disable 311 00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:35,810 secure boot you get into the bios for you if i set up 312 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:40,600 there sometimes are changeable it's different for every system for right now 313 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:46,350 sometimes it have ten sometimes is escape sometimes it's delete it will become more complicated 314 00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:48,400 with time that's just how corporations work 315 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:54,000 you find a secure be option you select disable if the system has fast but 316 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,730 i'm enabled you're screwed because it disables the keyboard now i am getting to a 317 00:20:57,730 --> 00:20:59,810 point that sounds terribly boring but i'm getting to a point 318 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,150 go and take a minute read that 319 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:08,470 you got it 320 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:19,810 if it has no fast but it automatically puts you in the scarab it automatically 321 00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:22,280 will see and so that's how you disable it 322 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:26,900 that's a turn off 323 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:31,870 so but do you think there are regular users are gonna do that they're gonna 324 00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:34,630 be able to do that little long press the keys fast enough to be able 325 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:35,210 to get in 326 00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:37,350 they're gonna walk away 327 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:42,180 now why does it matter whether we have 328 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,510 these people using our systems are not most companies don't the well wide why does 329 00:21:48,510 --> 00:21:53,640 it matter whether people are using i'm i am so grateful to be don't foundation 330 00:21:53,640 --> 00:22:00,620 is being led by a brilliant leader in the very so whatever you talk to 331 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:07,250 somebody in an organisation if they can summarise in a sensor to what they'd organisations 332 00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:11,230 goal fantastic they have a clear vision they can help guide people in the right 333 00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:15,040 direction the first question to ask karen was 334 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:19,830 what's important to you it wasn't there was no hesitation it wasn't even apples and 335 00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:26,280 it was one word and that that's very clear when i gave you have i 336 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,840 talk a fast am even logo on pointed out 337 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,790 you know when working on our own projects it's really it feels really good to 338 00:22:34,790 --> 00:22:37,270 be able to just do it on your own or you know work with a 339 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:39,980 small group unfortunately we do need users 340 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,140 now here's 341 00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:46,220 why secure boot is so subtly 342 00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:48,250 dangerous 343 00:22:48,970 --> 00:22:53,700 because they call that secure but and disabling something that secure makes you a bad 344 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:59,050 person feeds disable security on a primal level people create security this is a constant 345 00:22:59,430 --> 00:23:03,240 so people who are just now coming into the field even if they can figure 346 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,730 out how to disable secure based 347 00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:08,570 there is something on a very primal level causing them to 348 00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:13,450 pause wait a minute i'm disabling the security on the system that on so many 349 00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:15,440 levels that's not a good thing 350 00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:19,900 that's even chip on nichols is the one of our favourite media guys 351 00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:26,260 that's pretty obvious it's not really about security but we call secure because that's a 352 00:23:26,260 --> 00:23:28,350 good marketing strategy any gives you two choices 353 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:30,490 who right now you have two choices 354 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:37,200 okay i wrote a post i wrote a quick little article about 355 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,980 secure but awhile ago now how many you have but you're on machines 356 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,050 have any bill your desktop a laptop well no that's not you take the screws 357 00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:53,510 up you gotta know hardware you've mastered that you seen what it is engine even 358 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:56,810 if you just wipe the machine and loaded a free and open just row on 359 00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:06,270 it gives you the ability to essentially flips the bird to proprietary just rose 360 00:24:06,610 --> 00:24:10,310 what secure does now if you are queasy or 361 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,720 don't like it's explicit graphics look away for the second actually knows coming up in 362 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,000 the middle 363 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:16,900 so 364 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:22,930 no this is my building your own systems changed it's changed the world for the 365 00:24:22,930 --> 00:24:27,110 makers were slowly adjusting females of if makers were just in time but 366 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:30,590 since the beginning till now we've all had the luxury of tinkering 367 00:24:31,150 --> 00:24:35,960 but what secure because and this is intentional at the corporate level as the det 368 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,770 to removes your ability to flip the bird to the proprietary corporation 369 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:41,450 okay 370 00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:42,610 we but 371 00:24:43,210 --> 00:24:47,240 i believe there is a flip side there is a good side and a bad 372 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,800 side everything i'm a diehard optimist 373 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:52,710 you know that little spiel that sound like a 374 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:59,690 the good side of you neophyte secure there is that for the first time ever 375 00:24:59,690 --> 00:25:00,930 it gives us the chance 376 00:25:01,550 --> 00:25:03,380 to make 377 00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:07,440 free of source of core look like a worldwide cool thing 378 00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:11,410 throughout the last few decades 379 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,330 all of our after all the effort of all the makers and geeks has been 380 00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:22,500 diluted by getting one particular just rollover than one particular type of machine we've dealt 381 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:23,170 with 382 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,520 thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of different types of machines going on do 383 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:34,060 with different just rosewood different configurations we've hammer so many problems 384 00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:38,400 and while that's been extremely valuable in helping make 385 00:25:38,940 --> 00:25:42,140 getting linux a very solid 386 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:44,200 chunk of code 387 00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:47,220 it's 388 00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:51,650 has made it so that our effort has been very diluted 389 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:56,160 so now that's now that we 390 00:25:57,810 --> 00:26:02,950 now that's now that machines have to come was secure blue either enable disable this 391 00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:04,190 ultimate different ching factor 392 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,790 now when you when people ask about you have a secure blue and white hardware 393 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:12,140 matters the best answer you can give is that it's complicated 394 00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:14,520 the just shows actually are going to this one 395 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,820 when just shows were given the choice and most just shows have sorry ago when 396 00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:25,740 just rules were given the choice of you either sign with microsoft or you suffer 397 00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:27,140 death by obscurity 398 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:31,910 and the obscurity as because it's it will become and it is becoming harder and 399 00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:36,570 harder to load windows on windows machine the clock basically started in august two thousand 400 00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:37,190 twelve 401 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:42,130 any machine that ships with windows comes to secure bit enabled that just means all 402 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:44,920 the hardware that's out there right now is ageing owl 403 00:26:45,530 --> 00:26:48,540 and slowly one by one will realise the problem 404 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:53,030 so they were given and then and then possible choice just by obscurity or that's 405 00:26:53,030 --> 00:26:57,880 by signing with a company that they just didn't necessarily agree with 406 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,660 so 407 00:27:00,250 --> 00:27:02,550 all the different just rose and all the different 408 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:04,770 house's that they've built 409 00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:09,600 when's your bit of a devastating experience know how many of you have seen the 410 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,620 corporation 411 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:16,140 i would be okay so only handful so give the hopefully thirty second summary 412 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:24,430 american corporations mikes also american corporation a lot of the people who manufacture hardware american 413 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:25,180 corporations 414 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,080 by law 415 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,430 corporations have to do whatever we'll bring in the most profit there are good people 416 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:37,560 working at microsoft we but there are good people working there 417 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:42,560 who have good intent but by law a corporation 418 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:46,940 do something that will lose shareholders value 419 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,460 people can get in big trouble for that 420 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,380 so by law whether they want to or not they have to do whatever brings 421 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:56,260 in the most profit 422 00:27:57,090 --> 00:28:00,250 there is no upper capture to earnings 423 00:28:00,630 --> 00:28:02,510 they have to earn as much as they possibly can 424 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:07,480 now in the united states of corporation is treated as if it was a human 425 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,050 being 426 00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:15,470 i get it has no ethics no values no nothing it has one goal make 427 00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:16,050 money 428 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:20,970 and that's a very dangerous thing and you'll see in a minute 429 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,610 i have a good example that 430 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,390 so we see i hopefully i painted a bit of the picture now why hardware 431 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:34,420 and software need to work together i'm sure you've seen now as a developer who 432 00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:36,350 doesn't have access to the audience 433 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,270 you bang your head against lots of problems that you cannot fix i see something 434 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:44,170 like that you cannot fix 435 00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:47,940 because you can i get the harder manufactures to do what you want them to 436 00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:48,400 do 437 00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:51,210 we're right at that intersection between 438 00:28:54,130 --> 00:28:55,930 and we do see possibilities 439 00:28:56,570 --> 00:29:03,400 it told us when we saw all the different distrust signing with microsoft essentially what 440 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,590 they did is they 441 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,230 it smacks of sense encryption key is that it 442 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:11,250 so 443 00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:17,640 summary you have five is good and much needed secured was poorly implemented complicated is 444 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,250 the point of being dangerous there are solutions the solutions are difficult but doable if 445 00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:22,870 we could what break communicate and 446 00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:24,960 the part we get to we get to the happy part now 447 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,720 how this is the last part how to make a good i'm globally loved 448 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:33,980 long term now 449 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:35,970 i don't have the answers 450 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:39,780 and a lot of the problems but i do have i don't have the answers 451 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:44,630 but i will give you one example of something that we've been through that's helped 452 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:49,550 shape how we do what we do now most year software people right obviously 453 00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:53,690 and how many of you have worked on a project 454 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,160 where you had a deadline 455 00:29:57,130 --> 00:30:01,110 and you weren't able to do what needed to be done in time at that 456 00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:03,130 and by the time at that deadline it 457 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:10,480 and you are had to make compromises that seriously her quality 458 00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:17,420 that's an unfortunate situation that happens 459 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:20,100 whenever you have deadlines 460 00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:27,300 the one is kind of 461 00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:30,750 because problems throughout the organisation 462 00:30:33,890 --> 00:30:40,150 only that affirmative so we realised that if we said not to investors we didn't 463 00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:41,730 have to have deadlines 464 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,860 the only negative consequences and not having deadlines as it sometimes people get mad they 465 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:53,230 wanna know what date when the next have what's gonna be released or whatever and 466 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:54,670 so sometimes people get mad at that 467 00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:58,510 but it's a heck of a lot better than doublings the compromise quality 468 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,600 so that's just one example of something we've learned 469 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:07,500 actually no i didn't get the full story that and i here are the three 470 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,190 guiding principles that are the 471 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:11,430 situations 472 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,480 that have helped us come up with three guiding principles for potential solution 473 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,590 our tech support 474 00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:22,470 if you can see a good enough that the guy doing is on tech support 475 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:24,890 he's cleaning out a system he must are heard that you need to clean the 476 00:31:24,890 --> 00:31:25,840 fan from time to time 477 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:30,600 is that the water at suppose is using this as blitz as you're doing it 478 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,130 wrong 479 00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:36,920 okay so we take support quite often not always but quite often you call tech 480 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,470 support and you're talking to somebody who may have never even touched the machine you're 481 00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:42,790 trying to get support on 482 00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:47,030 and sometimes six i'm i doubt there are many people in your call tech support 483 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:48,950 ever you probably just deal with it yourselves 484 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:53,210 and or maybe you have or maybe you are on the other end of the 485 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:54,330 phone line and stuff 486 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:58,290 so one thing we decided to do is one day i said wait a minute 487 00:31:58,730 --> 00:32:03,490 what i could call in the tech support and i could talk to the person 488 00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:07,910 who not only use my particular machine but we built my particular machine or at 489 00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:11,730 least work the next to the guy or one who don't my particular machine 490 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:15,950 that's why not we're building the shops like clean and small why not 491 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,510 and so something happy happened 492 00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:26,410 when i found out that it's easy the system in a we also supply stanford's 493 00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:29,810 a i'll at the artificial intelligence lab which is really cool 494 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:33,740 and one of the google founders has robotics lab that we've worked with 495 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:39,820 but it's easy a system administrator at stanford called and says hey i'm having a 496 00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:42,390 really hard time with my stride a 497 00:32:42,890 --> 00:32:44,830 she wants to talk to the guy who built it 498 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:50,240 also i found out that the person who built it they're gonna be a lot 499 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,060 more careful in their bill they're gonna tie up records inside the desktop a lot 500 00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:58,550 more neatly they're gonna go for perfection if they know they might get a call 501 00:32:58,550 --> 00:33:00,580 from the person every see that machine 502 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,390 so we decided to build tech support 503 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:10,130 with the shortest distance possible between accountability 504 00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,040 and consequence 505 00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:15,970 between the person who built and the person who uses 506 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:21,850 between the person who has responsibility for building a machine properly and the person who 507 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:24,740 imposes the consequence for the quality of that machine 508 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:28,500 shorter slime possible between accountability and consequences 509 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:34,510 dataset that's just a guiding principle that we're using as we try to figure out 510 00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:36,560 where to go next in dealing with 511 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,180 the different just rose 512 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:45,640 berlin i spend today in manhattan before we came here and if any of you 513 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,600 are geeky enough to enjoy visiting you big the coolest places throughout the world the 514 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,780 o'reilly published something called the geek atlas 515 00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:59,860 that was so i don't know about a hundred places throughout the world that have 516 00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:04,740 really geeky cool things have this is well lock museum the john as possible lock 517 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:06,350 museum in manhattan 518 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:08,270 it's impossible to find 519 00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:12,380 well it's hard to find and when you get there they said always not open 520 00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:14,750 to the public so you kind of have to hack your way and 521 00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:16,630 social hiking 522 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,440 and so we got in and we got to see locks that have been built 523 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,880 since the beginning of time since they were building blocks out of wood 524 00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:30,760 it's an old musty museum and it was a it was delightful 525 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:34,170 back when they were making happens 526 00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:39,700 for security they were making these to protect bank vaults 527 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,440 the patent system actually worked 528 00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:50,460 and it worked well for building bank for security and to hear that any kind 529 00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:55,900 of patent law is working well that was the over so my husband i took 530 00:34:55,900 --> 00:35:00,970 a little bit of time to talk about how patents how the patents worked with 531 00:35:00,970 --> 00:35:02,440 walks over time 532 00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:09,080 and the way it worked is that everybody every manufacturer every builder made an incremental 533 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,700 improvement was able to patent that improvement but they didn't whole blood money to the 534 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:14,660 previous 535 00:35:15,370 --> 00:35:16,330 improvements 536 00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:21,040 so for example if apple is 537 00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:27,810 is patenting the movement of swiping your finger from the left to the right there's 538 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:33,620 no chance like that that's not how the block industry worked the lock industry 539 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:37,430 and said that they weren't allowed to patent you have a keen you have a 540 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:38,990 locking you put one into the other 541 00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:43,010 they were allowed to patent things such as this is the time lock with a 542 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:50,700 specific type of time device dial and this allowed for refinement of the hardware that 543 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:55,840 was healthy for example the time locked didn't work it was actually to secure the 544 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960 bank managers were scared that they wouldn't be able to get into their vaults when 545 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,160 they wanted to but neither could the bad guys but still it didn't do well 546 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,160 so we don't use it 547 00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:06,930 someone has man i sat down at 548 00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:12,600 at it in this little teeny little museum in manhattan and talked about what does 549 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,940 the how could this possibly there's some there were some good things happening in this 550 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:23,170 field historically how criminals principles guide us and what we do 551 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,570 we realise okay just on a very simplistic level 552 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,720 where the hardware where the where the box with a lock softwares the key 553 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:39,050 you guys have the code that allows these machines to run in the first place 554 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:43,690 but at the key the box isn't any good that the box 555 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:45,800 the key can only scratch your back 556 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,930 keep software hardware separate 557 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,440 but together 558 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:58,220 one of the things that the software industry is done with their patent says that 559 00:36:58,220 --> 00:37:02,720 they've trying to meld actually unlock so that they're one and the same unit and 560 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,290 they become a break they become unusable we can no longer take them open 561 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,460 and explore them and learn from them 562 00:37:09,010 --> 00:37:12,470 the third principle we've learned my backgrounds in education 563 00:37:13,070 --> 00:37:18,350 and one of the things i've been fascinated by is that there's no correlation or 564 00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:21,980 even causation there's no correlation causation between money and learning 565 00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:27,350 people have this insane idea and i call it insane because we keep making the 566 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:28,850 same mistake again and again 567 00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:32,820 that the more money you throw it schools the better cancel learn 568 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:39,280 and it doesn't work that way learning has to come from the inside the money 569 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,220 does not correlate for "'cause" learning so how do we 570 00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:48,610 it so that's just i i'm not gonna do additions education but just that there 571 00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:49,550 is no correlation 572 00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:54,360 money doesn't solve it and as soon as the focus shifts to the money and 573 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,500 all the learning 574 00:37:56,010 --> 00:38:00,830 you lack integrity it goes from learning is the goal to money and learning 575 00:38:01,490 --> 00:38:04,410 you lose focus and your high risk of working against yourself 576 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,560 so those are our three guiding principles accountability in consequence keep software hardware separable working 577 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,000 together never let money make the big decisions 578 00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:13,030 so 579 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:19,050 in our early days when we first up and shop we had just rose approaching 580 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:22,960 us saying hey you can you should are destroying your machines and give us a 581 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,990 cut for each machine you should for the just row give us ten bucks or 582 00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:30,040 whatever for each machine you ship with our wonderful destroy 583 00:38:31,090 --> 00:38:31,670 and 584 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,330 it makes complete sense from a business standpoint 585 00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:41,080 but for some reason we felt this is wrong and we couldn't pinpoint and it 586 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,910 wasn't in cell block a museum and a few other things that we realise wait 587 00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:49,220 a minute this soon as you enter into a contractual agreement with the stroll you 588 00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:50,060 lose 589 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,330 some of that integrity you have deadlines 590 00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:57,430 you put an extra layer between accountability in consequence 591 00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,230 you're no longer separate 592 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,920 and the money is making the decision 593 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:08,530 and so we wanted to work with a good know community a more directly but 594 00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:10,260 we couldn't figure out how 595 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,440 i am so grateful they can has taken has a i'm grateful that you've done 596 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,620 what you've done and build such a solid base 597 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:21,290 because back to the first slide of being well positioned 598 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:23,550 i would love nothing more 599 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:25,880 then if you guys did your industry 600 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:28,450 or if we were to support industry 601 00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:35,380 the reason why the numbers so well position is that you have all of the 602 00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:41,100 puzzle well nearly all of the puzzle pieces but they haven't yet then put together 603 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,940 into one distraught we have people and i showed you some of the people who 604 00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:50,060 love the cold the ease of the you why older people who don't have time 605 00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:55,150 to mess with anything that isn't beautiful and simple in its most basic form 606 00:39:55,930 --> 00:39:59,800 so that's my that's what i would love to see happen 607 00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:01,600 but 608 00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:07,580 nobody and again on community has ever come to us and said hey can you 609 00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:10,480 give us can you give us a cat or can we do a deal and 610 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,600 that's not how they're gonna foundation or any other part of it works from what 611 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,160 i understand 612 00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:21,290 and i appreciate that i have what you and i thank you for that because 613 00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:24,240 that would be the wrong direction to go 614 00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:29,540 so i'm not exactly sure how 615 00:40:30,020 --> 00:40:33,640 it's going to work the one thing that my husband and i came up with 616 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,650 that i'm sure will talk to people about but i tend to be kind of 617 00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:38,470 as open as possible about these things 618 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:45,030 is that it's a support the gonna foundation are going on developers or whatever maybe 619 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:50,510 hire if you maybe go ahead and give back to the community based on the 620 00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:54,280 number system sold but do it on a voluntary basis 621 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:55,980 just do it is donations 622 00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:58,780 that allows separation 623 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,320 that allows 624 00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:01,640 it 625 00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:05,890 one of the reasons why the schools don't the schools don't work 626 00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:11,810 is that sometimes the more money we throw kids we don't give them the option 627 00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:12,840 of failing 628 00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:16,220 we lived in your dell here in austin texas 629 00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:18,200 where the kids were not allowed to fail 630 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:23,240 they had a hundred percent passing on nearly all of their stay standardised tests if 631 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,620 you're not from the us that probably doesn't make a lot of sense it was 632 00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:28,890 basically forced for success 633 00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:31,650 and there are these for kids on drugs 634 00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:37,220 just wishing they would at least have the choice to either succeed or fail and 635 00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:43,860 i believe that's very important if the just row wants to sign with microsoft and 636 00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:49,080 have a now we still support it would to and fedora and all of the 637 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,000 others were still shipping machines actually going to start number one 638 00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:58,050 D fall selection when you're selecting it's a stronger site 639 00:41:58,350 --> 00:41:59,100 but 640 00:42:01,610 --> 00:42:07,160 unfortunately that's because is the best option currently available for the people that need to 641 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,200 use these machines 642 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,430 i would love to have a different option 643 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:16,420 a more pure option we also support risk all which is a lot more much 644 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:17,620 more pure 645 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:24,950 and so on the on our you know where partying last night so 646 00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:30,650 i like that's all the heavy parts over so every presentation i like to do 647 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:32,130 something fun at the end 648 00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:35,030 i like to do a quiz 649 00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:41,950 and give away stuff "'cause" it's fun or not so i brought some keyboards another 650 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:45,900 thing i don't know if you all noticed but on your keyboard if you look 651 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,890 down hopefully some of you guys have stickers over your start key is pretty much 652 00:42:50,890 --> 00:42:55,330 all of these machines except for if you think you are not reason machines 653 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,690 every not back in the late eighties nineties microsoft another brilliant marketing mail 654 00:43:02,370 --> 00:43:04,740 okay so this do we have the stickers 655 00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:12,340 we the mikes have to brilliant marketing move there's a key on every keyboard manufactured 656 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:14,370 in china and we much only channel 657 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:19,480 that is called the start key or the home key but their logo on it 658 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:26,330 because you start with windows is your home they have they their marketing departments brilliant 659 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:30,510 and i say that in a very negative derogatory way 660 00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:33,560 that's sarcasm 661 00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:36,830 but you can't really see the sarcasm sorry 662 00:43:38,350 --> 00:43:44,330 so what we figured it was time for tax oregon you have their rightful choice 663 00:43:44,330 --> 00:43:49,440 on the keyboard so we had a batch of keyboards manufactured just for us it's 664 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,680 not a sticker but if you don't have if you do have 665 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,970 we could probably going down 666 00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:02,270 later we normally have this the stickers that we give away with talks on and 667 00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:06,440 we need to have word hopefully and the process of getting some with the guinea 668 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,520 one also one if even a foot 669 00:44:11,780 --> 00:44:13,390 and that's a let me ask some questions 670 00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:15,130 so 671 00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:17,930 do any you know with the first programmers were 672 00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:23,820 okay give me one main reason and if you know i saw you what 673 00:44:24,740 --> 00:44:28,690 okay actually i need to ask a more specific question sorry and make any at 674 00:44:28,690 --> 00:44:32,020 it up there so nickname one of the media programmers 675 00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:34,880 no 676 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,680 now she was 677 00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:41,200 she work for the group that was 678 00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:46,650 the what was founded by one of the union developers but she 679 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,040 look at look on weekly you can in finding at gonna ricky page 680 00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:57,430 but anyway go ahead anybody else this is awesome okay so what happen one also 681 00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:59,390 that's actually horrible that's sarcasm again 682 00:44:59,980 --> 00:45:04,950 so what happened was when the news articles came out about the any i 683 00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:08,850 ages ago they thought that's 684 00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:14,370 these women in the picture were be otherwise they thought they were showcasing this beautiful 685 00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:19,710 hardware they didn't understand they were actually the one plug in that is the and 686 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:23,250 following the specification code but the engineers and written for them 687 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,010 anybody feel free to look it up 688 00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:32,440 in any of you name any of the originally any i coders 689 00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:39,840 i guess and save true okay now i have to the fast researcher 690 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:42,150 sure 691 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:44,400 anybody 692 00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:50,120 if you just we key any occupied whatever 693 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:52,210 so 694 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:59,500 okay so striking that it and it on their cell phones 695 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:08,060 so these are for women that are a mini they didn't go out there and 696 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:13,000 get the they were amazing women we heard one of them is name i will 697 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,610 say 698 00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:17,850 speak and she was brilliant she's now in her eighties 699 00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:19,320 i think 700 00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:20,500 what 701 00:46:21,850 --> 00:46:22,320 just like 702 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:32,040 i remembered i roll doubles her name i know i'm forced is not one and 703 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,570 she was not one of these for what is one like this is not other 704 00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:37,990 that are when we do a that's program 705 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,470 why 706 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:44,110 it's not there okay so maybe there is i'm just using any and we keep 707 00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:48,120 age and just this is the how dishes with this question before i pass question 708 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,610 all over the world and so what i usually say is a this picture of 709 00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:52,590 these for women 710 00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:56,980 one you mean one name any names 711 00:46:58,050 --> 00:46:58,880 yes you have 712 00:47:01,450 --> 00:47:02,340 G also 713 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:12,960 okay so gym or i think i now there's a story about gym or take 714 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,510 if you ever go to silicon valley schedule your visit during that time with the 715 00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:23,630 computer history museum has one of their events where they have a speaker come and 716 00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:27,690 they will have people like timber take who's still alive how man and give a 717 00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:33,280 talk or rubber half one of the guys invented ethernet cable and they are whole 718 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,610 areas because from their perspective they've seen things happen that i can only dream up 719 00:47:38,610 --> 00:47:43,120 one of gene vortex original stories is that when that the there are rich the 720 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,590 first call that they ever programmed was actually i have the speaker a question what 721 00:47:47,590 --> 00:47:51,060 was the original what was the first bit of code now you can guess on 722 00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:54,840 this one because i don't think it's an indian article but i think about it 723 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,000 this is in us 724 00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:58,770 what we program yes right here 725 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,410 yes 726 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:05,290 thank you 727 00:48:08,810 --> 00:48:13,660 and i can ask you the other three names but they are actually is too 728 00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:14,130 little 729 00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:20,440 so i know no okay macaulay and betty over whole burden excuse me but i've 730 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,720 only heard you marked speak she said and as a as a coder you would 731 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:29,090 understand is she said that they had back in the these years they didn't do 732 00:48:29,090 --> 00:48:32,930 all lighters or multiple lighters like i'm sure some of you know my husband was 733 00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:35,760 in the game industry for years and my goodness 734 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,230 they worked very late like seven P M nine P M 735 00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:45,770 but they were so nervous "'cause" the next day they were presenting it to the 736 00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:51,830 government officials who funded their research and she said they programmed and everything calculated correctly 737 00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:53,670 except one at all but 738 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,590 when the missile hit the ground going 739 00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,650 i 740 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,390 i thought that was cute 741 00:49:01,450 --> 00:49:01,880 why 742 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,530 they built what the missiles to keep on going back then that wasn't really the 743 00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:08,040 goal 744 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,130 i 745 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:29,130 how big do you have to be before you think you are in a position 746 00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:34,370 where you can demand that you are given a free violence by the manufacturers like 747 00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:35,270 an open source 748 00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,790 a first before 749 00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:39,530 influenced by it 750 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,960 i don't know 751 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,500 i well 752 00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:53,060 it's in the hundreds of thousands so you know schools able to 753 00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:56,610 but together corbett for the problem book and 754 00:49:57,530 --> 00:50:07,340 that's about it there's so many steps between the chip manufacturers and the motherboard manufacturers 755 00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:08,330 and the case 756 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:09,500 builders 757 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:10,450 that 758 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:13,210 getting all the way through the chain 759 00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:18,570 is a really difficult ask you look at like 760 00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:21,510 motorola that's been bought by google 761 00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:23,320 the new 762 00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:28,570 motto X phone is not able to have the latest and right on it because 763 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:32,740 it takes it another part of google now 764 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,150 just kidding 765 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,630 status and 766 00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:40,660 definitions for the low level hardware 767 00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:42,850 takes a lot of time 768 00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:48,470 no 769 00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:51,530 where you know it's very possible 770 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,110 i know this is gonna be a new field and just had a talk with 771 00:50:58,110 --> 00:51:02,390 richard using amazing version about it but have you looked into sort of opening up 772 00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:05,560 your hardware i know it's like there's lot of parts of the modern computer but 773 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,680 it would like say leasing design specifications for your cases or things like that 774 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,230 go back and the manufacturers down give them to us 775 00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:19,310 it and it does not follow copyright 776 00:51:20,110 --> 00:51:25,470 and that got really i email from okay so we didn't we want to have 777 00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:31,930 like we have another one that were going to be launching really see a hopefully 778 00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:35,500 days weeks some like that but we have guidelines and 779 00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:41,410 but the when we order from them quite often they wanna ship they're so they 780 00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:45,700 want to include windows they want to get a test is a bonus because that's 781 00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:49,380 cool and that extra so or with a nine and please do not include windows 782 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:52,880 we don't wanna we know we're not paying extra for it and we haven't seen 783 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,910 often a just and durable at that please take windows or you can have windows 784 00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:59,350 it's a free software 785 00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:06,780 so it's just different that's a different world that now that they don't answer that 786 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:07,310 we do with that 787 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:08,660 okay 788 00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:09,790 sorry 789 00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,750 so are you accepting put coins 790 00:52:19,310 --> 00:52:23,760 we support of a hundred percent we can tell you horror stories about works in 791 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:30,460 the merchant processing system but that's all other top i want you guys so to 792 00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:36,270 use you have been working on the lower levels so it's you know do you 793 00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:37,890 do you use idea 794 00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:45,670 but to will mostly bit with your remote you directors do use realistic in most 795 00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:49,960 of them are still to these before you leave is rickles to people 796 00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:54,270 but to what can we do to so you sliver 797 00:52:55,610 --> 00:52:58,390 i totally don't understand that we can say that clever 798 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:04,320 it's very well i totally thought in the startup and i have no idea and 799 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,280 idea but the picture in the slide presentation of the guy i think that's kind 800 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,300 of how i pictured what he went through i don't know that i don't know 801 00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,700 but it was a very difficult situation 802 00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:19,310 it is a very difficult it what you know the whole look right 803 00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:25,810 see that's another reason why we have to keep the lock in the key separate 804 00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:29,450 if there and that's other is what we don't read the news is we have 805 00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:32,170 to stay healthy we have to stay 806 00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:33,710 viable 807 00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:40,740 and so if a distraught wants to fail let them fail we cry for that 808 00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:43,940 we cry for them for a day and then we get back to building will 809 00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:46,640 heart that god only 810 00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:52,290 so of got long a use for you want three use is not that's two 811 00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:56,490 homes not gonna be building induced room that's okay you can you can be building 812 00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:57,320 miller's 813 00:54:00,260 --> 00:54:00,450 i 814 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:05,930 good 815 00:54:07,330 --> 00:54:08,090 thank you 816 00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:19,380 what can we do to opening that's resonating we can we do to hope you 817 00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:20,340 what your again 818 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,750 so 819 00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:28,860 the also more specific i'm sure 820 00:54:29,470 --> 00:54:29,880 it 821 00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:34,870 we support you guys are so what we need to do like with stress well 822 00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:36,200 i'll give me that as an example 823 00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:39,490 they can just and they said you know i know you guys are aiming for 824 00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:43,410 free an open there are so many proprietary blobs and the stuff your shipping that's 825 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:46,420 like we now we know we're doing our best were doing what we can but 826 00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:50,220 we have all the options either build with what's out there were not build it 827 00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:52,130 all and so that's the only choice 828 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,020 and so what they did is they worked on the got good enough we shipped 829 00:54:56,020 --> 00:54:59,480 it out to perform really well on the field and what i'm that the thing 830 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,670 that both my husband are trying to communicate today is and i don't think i 831 00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:09,300 have is the value of the code base you already have in place the puzzle 832 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:15,230 pieces are there you guys have any idea how amazing it is to ship a 833 00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:18,590 computer to somebody who has never use linux 834 00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:22,200 doesn't know the difference between windows and a map 835 00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:26,930 we had so back it was when we first started in two thousand seven i 836 00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:28,820 was like you know okay we're shipping to 837 00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:35,030 developers and i love these guys and women and guys when whatever and i this 838 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:39,700 is fantastic but when we gonna ship to people who don't really who are technically 839 00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:40,370 inclined 840 00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:45,560 so i said someday i'm gonna here of a tech support call it indicates that 841 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,620 worshipping to middle america are worshipping to people you don't know what they're doing and 842 00:55:49,620 --> 00:55:53,480 one day i was sitting to two desks away from the tech support person 843 00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:55,070 and i heard and say 844 00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,900 well have you tried turning it on 845 00:56:00,330 --> 00:56:02,270 so you know that by 846 00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:03,420 i 847 00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:06,230 and two thousand nine 848 00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:07,540 guide 849 00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:12,600 well i wanted to say that when you do you do your own or else 850 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,420 and 851 00:56:14,810 --> 00:56:18,890 we is a hardware manufacturer want to include the you know we'd like to support 852 00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:22,370 secure but we don't want microsoft to you some our systems 853 00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:24,650 so when you do your own 854 00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:29,430 secure signing without microsoft he's and will support 855 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,480 your work he's been or you your for it's not that big a deal it 856 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,540 really isn't 857 00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:40,440 it takes effort it takes a bit attraction 858 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,320 we support you guys are be 859 00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:49,060 for years i've been wanting to have a different evolved bistro 860 00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:50,180 so 861 00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:54,460 and are there any other questions 862 00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:06,670 i think everybody's done are like my goddess and this how much more 863 00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:13,050 a lot of other places the pieces so just to clarify you're opposed to secure 864 00:57:13,050 --> 00:57:18,590 restricted we would even with things like matthew good shimmer the linux boot loader based 865 00:57:18,590 --> 00:57:24,860 on ideological differences with microsoft holding the keys and only guess so yes we are 866 00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:30,630 we are opposed to a proprietary corporation whose only goal is building is isn't building 867 00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:34,920 better profit margins holding the key a gateway is everything 868 00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:37,180 it everything 869 00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:44,340 do plan for authenticating drivers which you know all of the hardware vendors are using 870 00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:48,860 microsoft ski to sign if you're not gonna of microsoft a quick 871 00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:52,880 not sure all 872 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,690 right now as well as we're building with the distress you have signed 873 00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:00,640 or 874 00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:06,690 right 875 00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:16,250 no much remember that we can have i think you're very 876 00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:20,460 you we have by is good 877 00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:25,750 that is the part that makes all video cards would like video cards and all 878 00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:28,470 the driver modules 879 00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:30,170 you 880 00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:32,880 i don't know i have and i don't what 881 00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:36,050 you're on the question 882 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,310 and that's a room for the volume level would like to see those drivers sign 883 00:58:57,310 --> 00:59:01,510 with the but don't see that's not the whole gentleman softly 884 00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:05,020 but you can sell open source drivers 885 00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:07,220 open source drivers 886 00:59:10,030 --> 00:59:10,680 sorry 887 00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:17,920 my laptop doesn't have any proprietary drivers there's a lot of flexibility liam level 888 00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:20,950 at the driver level 889 00:59:27,980 --> 00:59:30,140 this is the type of thing we might need to open up 890 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,660 and environment where we can chat about it 891 00:59:35,330 --> 00:59:38,170 "'cause" i can tell right now there's three people or at least two people who 892 00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:40,980 are gonna do major research as soon as they get internet connection 893 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,740 go ahead of their of their 894 00:59:56,250 --> 01:00:01,750 and where you what you want and ship hardware with open firmware opened drivers or 895 01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:04,620 anything like that now the way weren't growing is 896 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,270 small lights clean and local shops there usually were applicable there actually kind of set 897 01:00:10,270 --> 01:00:14,560 up like a franchise business model "'cause" the shops themselves 898 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,740 are about some distribution and supply chain and there's a good reason why there aren't 899 01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:24,090 any other hardware manufacturers who are competing but that's 900 01:00:24,610 --> 01:00:28,660 it's hard a there's no profit margin there are a lot of people you don't 901 01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:31,520 want to do and if money is in your motive then you can do it 902 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,330 but if it is then so what we're doing is i would love to have 903 01:00:35,330 --> 01:00:37,660 a hundred of "'em" worldwide right now in all the major cities 904 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:39,970 if we had investors we would 905 01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:43,900 i've had investors propose doing to run the million it's not 906 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,070 they're the barriers are 907 01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:49,610 surmount able and if i found an investor who 908 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,240 was ethical i would 909 01:00:53,770 --> 01:00:55,640 i can tell you horror stories right 910 01:00:56,270 --> 01:00:58,630 question so what board 911 01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:01,590 thousands 912 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:12,070 it depends our new zealand shop is at it depends on orders to sometimes we 913 01:01:12,070 --> 01:01:16,550 have a large amount borders sometimes it's down like right before anything to release probably 914 01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:19,150 should use remotes try it example where the millions 915 01:01:20,140 --> 01:01:24,030 i'm not shed and aggressor 916 01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:32,290 sorry so anybody or not to advertising about a lot of people here actually here 917 01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:37,590 and maybe a little bit of a harsh question so what what's the fundamental difference 918 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:42,730 between you buying laptops from chinese manufacturers want to send you windows with them and 919 01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:47,200 then installing linux on them and me by laptop from a chinese manufacturers want to 920 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,320 be when you can literally that tomorrow it's one way to do it through the 921 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,440 know was web store all the time right i mean what's difference between these two 922 01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:00,780 things a difference is that the differences about that dilated after you can do yourself 923 01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:03,760 i talked a lot if you can do yourself and you can spend a lot 924 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,080 of time and a lot of money figuring out it's becoming more difficult i don't 925 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,260 know if i just sit intelligent machines and to get hard right 926 01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:16,030 or late eighties as you can just go to best buy or antispeaker or stars 927 01:02:16,030 --> 01:02:19,940 of questioning well it just you know i go to learn over dot com of 928 01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:22,260 iowa which means that it but when it's on a 929 01:02:25,230 --> 01:02:25,730 okay 930 01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:31,810 so how it so we stick to different from what you're doing from a point 931 01:02:31,810 --> 01:02:35,480 of you know write a different here is yes that's a very good question so 932 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,430 thanks for asking a if you are a developer type and you can get over 933 01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:43,720 any potential problems fantastic as far as i know though what does learn it doesn't 934 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,810 know about ship it with windows installed or 935 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,340 okay can you order it with your favourite bistro 936 01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:53,400 okay can anybody 937 01:02:55,550 --> 01:02:57,690 like where "'cause" i'd love to know 938 01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:03,910 i have to look into that "'cause" as far as i would be thrilled if 939 01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:07,080 they were not wanna support that and promote it if they were 940 01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:12,210 but as far as i know nobody's doing and the reason why is because you 941 01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:13,380 get pressure from microsoft 942 01:03:21,050 --> 01:03:21,900 okay good 943 01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:28,050 okay now the reason the reason the main reason at the main part of all 944 01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:29,700 sorry go ahead of it the people than here 945 01:03:40,260 --> 01:03:41,730 okay so into the microphone 946 01:03:44,490 --> 01:03:52,540 but also the point you will you will actually should i want to or see 947 01:03:52,540 --> 01:03:57,020 running free builds and usually don't pay extra for it 948 01:03:57,470 --> 01:04:02,570 now the reason i love this question because it is very true and very accurate 949 01:04:02,570 --> 01:04:05,070 yes if you were developer you can 950 01:04:05,950 --> 01:04:10,140 you can find ways around it you always find ways around it we will always 951 01:04:10,140 --> 01:04:14,880 find ways around it unfortunately it's on a one person level in a world that 952 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,220 has billions and billions of people 953 01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:21,860 so what happens and i didn't have it in this presentation but i have it 954 01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:22,490 in others 955 01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:29,170 is that i assume they your building that your coding it not just for tomorrow 956 01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:34,000 or next year or the year after i as you know that in your quieter 957 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,740 moments when you're thinking about your life in general you want some of your code 958 01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:42,550 to be a legacy for who you are and what you contributed you want your 959 01:04:42,550 --> 01:04:48,610 kids or grandkids to actually know what can is in general public speech rather than 960 01:04:48,610 --> 01:04:49,910 reading about in history but 961 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,320 we're building legacy here 962 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:57,490 and well developers configured out yes that's fantastic we always will be able to figure 963 01:04:57,490 --> 01:04:59,750 it out we need to make 964 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,210 the hardware accessible to the public at large and i have never met a regular 965 01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:08,570 release in america i've never met a regular person he's probably well 966 01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:13,190 they by doubles and apple they 967 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,000 they wanna they wanna simple easy entry point they don't wanna options 968 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,710 so we're trying to reach 969 01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:20,540 the public at large 970 01:05:21,060 --> 01:05:24,190 so i hear your point there's a question okay 971 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,540 sorry not really 972 01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:28,430 but legacy 973 01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:29,580 okay 974 01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:33,240 you had a 975 01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:41,420 not so thinly veiled criticism of capitalism and be american corporation a i said that 976 01:05:41,420 --> 01:05:49,870 i got it what are your ideas are like just overall general theory about how 977 01:05:49,870 --> 01:05:55,960 you compete and are successful against these entities without playing into the game so much 978 01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,760 in a with our old really where money and numbers matter so much as of 979 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,640 right now is structures so that we don't have to 980 01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:05,120 we don't like that 981 01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:10,270 but in you do compete when someone's looked by computer but that on their side 982 01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:15,800 if that the competition does enter are doors we can i think it's really easy 983 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,670 to look is just as a fixing compared to them 984 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,930 but we now we can it's a distraction 985 01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:26,270 i don't know if i mean to capitalism i don't know i'm working as hard 986 01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:27,950 as anybody else but i don't 987 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,470 i just all i know is that the foundation i want to be able to 988 01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:35,500 open up my machine i wanna be able the white lot what i want i 989 01:06:35,500 --> 01:06:39,250 don't wanna i that's just i'm just talking about from a very personal level 990 01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:45,920 and how we how we figure out how to shape a dist row 991 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:50,080 that doesn't have microsoft is the gatekeeper i mean we can 992 01:06:52,540 --> 01:06:54,990 that still come out of philosophical level 993 01:06:57,030 --> 01:07:02,510 although the keys to solve a girl there okay that S okay before you go 994 01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:06,010 please grab a screwdriver we have plenty and we have a bunch of all stickers 995 01:07:06,010 --> 01:07:09,750 are not stickers we have ribbon to sorry and 996 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,870 so i am i can has i'm too tired at a tax 997 01:07:15,180 --> 01:07:18,200 we hope to have the good new 998 01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:20,950 et cetera later or what 999 01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:22,710 you just much thank you