1 00:00:09,420 --> 00:00:15,540 i everyone it's are going to be here i love black and it's so also 2 00:00:15,540 --> 00:00:20,960 to see everyone here i've already like that bunch of people i've only have a 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,360 spoken swan i'll see 4 00:00:23,020 --> 00:00:23,420 always 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,300 really awesome right 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:32,670 great to see a print anything you come a long way guys where great happy 7 00:00:35,850 --> 00:00:39,560 this talk is basically meant to be a bit of a kind of a review 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,500 when i see is in terms of 9 00:00:42,330 --> 00:00:46,800 developing the number three user experience so i must to gonna be talking about design 10 00:00:47,420 --> 00:00:49,980 so could historical you know 11 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:54,130 i could've comedic different directions i could've talked about marketing 12 00:00:55,460 --> 00:00:58,210 but it's designed is what i do 13 00:01:00,150 --> 00:01:04,850 if i assume that most people you know who i am but if you don't 14 00:01:06,790 --> 00:01:09,970 i'm a member of the circle design team so i 15 00:01:10,660 --> 00:01:11,980 i spend my days 16 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:15,420 trying to figure out how to make non backed so 17 00:01:16,050 --> 00:01:17,070 and i'm involved in 18 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:19,610 pretty much every aspect of 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,550 but now i'm from the channel settings applications all that stuff so i feel like 20 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:28,570 i'm involved in a nothing was to 21 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:32,860 have a pretty good sense of what's going on one example next 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,490 and the their inspiration for this talk i suppose is 23 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:42,510 i read online over the past six months or so we people being a bit 24 00:01:42,510 --> 00:01:46,430 unsure about whether going what's coming up what's gonna be next and 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,050 personally speaking 26 00:01:51,190 --> 00:01:54,740 i think it's pretty clear where we're going and 27 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,030 i think we've got well for to this or something's going on so i wanted 28 00:02:00,030 --> 00:02:04,170 to talk about that to give people your an idea of what they can expect 29 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:04,670 feature 30 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:07,590 it should be set that's 31 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:11,450 what i'm gonna say here's another thing you 32 00:02:13,230 --> 00:02:14,180 if you will 33 00:02:14,650 --> 00:02:17,770 closely involved in the most of the stuff 34 00:02:18,130 --> 00:02:22,380 we'll be already familiar to you i'm gonna try and bring it together in a 35 00:02:22,380 --> 00:02:26,750 piece of ice so this talk is probably gonna be most interesting to those people 36 00:02:26,750 --> 00:02:29,840 maybe on involved in right 37 00:02:30,990 --> 00:02:32,530 the call what we very 38 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:41,150 one clarification before starts i'm talking about the future i'm not kind of looking for 39 00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:45,810 five or ten years not looking for you know nothing about that you know 40 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:52,270 and some kind of post P C future nothing like that the future i'm interested 41 00:02:52,270 --> 00:02:53,840 in is the immediate 42 00:02:54,890 --> 00:02:57,000 so the next twelve to waiting not it's 43 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,530 i think that's tangible it's something that we can touch it's something that we can 44 00:03:01,530 --> 00:03:06,320 talk about during this plot that we can think about whether we want to be 45 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,090 what we meet next year and strauss but 46 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,660 and i think that's 47 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,570 a more useful way to look at the future 48 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,750 "'cause" it's very easy to get can a call to bring some kind idle speculation 49 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:21,260 about what the future might hold so 50 00:03:21,690 --> 00:03:25,740 what i really wanted to talk about is what kind of future we making and 51 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,700 what's we doing right now that will affect 52 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:33,830 so 53 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,750 and they talk about the future i suppose 54 00:03:37,290 --> 00:03:39,850 have to start with an idea euro of 55 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,230 why do we wanna be what do we well where we you mean what do 56 00:03:44,230 --> 00:03:45,440 we wanna feature to be like 57 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,010 and i don't want to on this for too long 58 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:51,050 but it's 59 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,380 i think it's important to say that i think know has 60 00:03:55,790 --> 00:03:58,090 a really strong guiding vision 61 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:58,990 i think 62 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,340 when you talk to the members of this community 63 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:04,710 it's 64 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:08,600 it's quite inspiring to hear what motivates them 65 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:14,310 and if anything we are really motivated you know everyone work so hard and i 66 00:04:14,310 --> 00:04:16,600 think that's because they believe in what we're doing 67 00:04:17,970 --> 00:04:23,100 and i think the thing that motivates me and speaking to them and members of 68 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:27,570 the gnome project what seems to motivate other people is the idea of freedom 69 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:30,990 nothing that's really essentials what we do it 70 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,500 and what i talk about freedom here i don't just mean 71 00:04:36,010 --> 00:04:38,250 producing for use of so i don't mean 72 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:44,380 releasing how that happens to be G P L 73 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:51,090 conforms to the free software definition in some shape before i think to know freedom 74 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:52,240 is more than that 75 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:55,380 it's about being independence 76 00:04:56,150 --> 00:04:57,660 so you know 77 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,620 we all we don't have 78 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:07,860 we're not alone by particular company we have a independent foundation i think these are 79 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:12,550 really important both to how we work and what we're trying to achieve that is 80 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:19,960 to great software that anyone can participate equally everyone has the equal 81 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:22,020 opportunity to participate 82 00:05:22,570 --> 00:05:23,440 and 83 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,840 i think well i experienced personally and i suspect to a lot of people in 84 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:34,630 the remote experienced is be amazing potential that has for creating opportunities both opportunities for 85 00:05:34,630 --> 00:05:37,890 individuals and full companies and organization 86 00:05:39,070 --> 00:05:43,590 and what we're aiming to do we not amused to extend that was opportunities to 87 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:49,010 as many people as possible we wanna put free software in people's hands on that 88 00:05:49,010 --> 00:05:51,530 machine i don't touch it use it 89 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:54,550 and i think there are very few 90 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,830 free software projects that are trying to do that in the way that no means 91 00:05:59,540 --> 00:06:03,390 we work across the staff we work with other organisations to make this 92 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:05,460 hands 93 00:06:06,430 --> 00:06:12,110 so one with thinking about the future i think the measure that we use for 94 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:13,140 ourselves is 95 00:06:13,970 --> 00:06:18,040 all we are advancing the cause are we bringing free software to more P 96 00:06:18,860 --> 00:06:21,010 only making free software more relevance 97 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:26,810 and so when i go through what we're trying to achieve i think that's what 98 00:06:26,810 --> 00:06:27,430 we're trying to do 99 00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:40,220 no project was founded 100 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,060 of the fifteen years ago 101 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:43,120 and 102 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:48,500 our project came about because we thought that "'cause" there's a feeling within free software 103 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:49,630 that it was a risk 104 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:53,880 that they needed to be awfully free what they call back than a desktop part 105 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:56,960 and 106 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:01,120 i don't think that mission is changed in fact i think it's even more important 107 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,680 now than ever before 108 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:03,940 so 109 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:09,960 you know when we when we look around and see which gonna open source projects 110 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,090 the kind of you know it's 111 00:07:13,030 --> 00:07:16,960 things that look right i mean we have things like android which is obviously a 112 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,810 so i don't think like one for free 113 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:22,010 so really the challenge was 114 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,880 right now is the same as it was when a project first began and i 115 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,400 think there's a real kind of 116 00:07:29,290 --> 00:07:31,450 designed to make the world a better place 117 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:33,200 and 118 00:07:33,580 --> 00:07:38,500 that's a desire the i think we have to fill with the actions we take 119 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:39,080 as if you 120 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:41,040 so 121 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:45,560 all needed a well is as important as have a 122 00:07:47,570 --> 00:07:49,500 i think we have the really 123 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,830 helpful opportunity to do something important in terms of bringing freedom small people 124 00:08:02,410 --> 00:08:05,830 so that's you know i think we did the important message there is that 125 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:11,290 you know we can become but even about the feature we can make the world 126 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:12,420 name can be a problem 127 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:17,200 so that's kind of what we wanna be 128 00:08:18,590 --> 00:08:19,010 so the can 129 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,970 so the question then becomes well are we moving in that direction and i think 130 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:29,170 to a lot extent we are and we've made some amazing progress 131 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:33,590 and there's a lot of the future to become be confidence about 132 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:37,470 you know there's a lot of really cool stuff going on this project 133 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:38,870 and we 134 00:08:39,490 --> 00:08:41,740 established a really good track record for us 135 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:44,840 and the key requirements i think for is to 136 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:51,170 make sure that nine three continues to be relevance continues to be interesting we want 137 00:08:51,170 --> 00:08:56,410 more people to want to use no more organization to participate in the know project 138 00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:59,560 and we won't warp you want to distribute know 139 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:03,190 and i think we're doing quite a good job of that 140 00:09:04,270 --> 00:09:08,760 so one thing we can be concerned about for the future is that 141 00:09:09,460 --> 00:09:12,980 no three will be even better than it is now 142 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:17,170 so it's around the nine three series 143 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:20,000 it releases been 144 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:21,810 a real step 145 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:28,660 like you know i write the release not and every really side by about is 146 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:30,000 this big long list you 147 00:09:31,570 --> 00:09:33,820 and that's really exciting and 148 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,580 i think the 149 00:09:37,180 --> 00:09:40,260 the user experience to work providing is been getting back to back 150 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,550 something that i see personally when i'm using it but i think the quality of 151 00:09:47,550 --> 00:09:50,880 the feedback we've been getting about producing getting back to 152 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,620 we can be i think we can be reasonably confident that trend will continue in 153 00:09:56,620 --> 00:10:01,210 the future so if we're thinking about why will be twelve or eighteen months down 154 00:10:01,210 --> 00:10:05,300 the line then one thing that we can say with a reasonable amount of confidence 155 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:05,730 is the 156 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:07,370 we can have a better 157 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:09,080 products that we have now 158 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:12,930 which is pretty also "'cause" i think it's already pretty good if it's gonna be 159 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:17,470 getting better with each release that you know there's more reason to be optimistic that 160 00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:19,650 i think more people are gonna wanna 161 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:23,740 used and three as a result of the work that we do it 162 00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:29,840 i think it should be really i think it should be emphasised that 163 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,750 those improvements 164 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,460 and possibilities the we have the future of come about through the hard worker alarm 165 00:10:37,460 --> 00:10:38,170 projects 166 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,070 all the computers work 167 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:45,840 you know we could have very easily been in the situation when names techniques that 168 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,140 you 169 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,890 that hasn't happened if anything 170 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:51,020 the development rights is increased 171 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:55,040 and that's been logically the dedication and hard work 172 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:56,960 of the people in this project 173 00:10:57,660 --> 00:11:02,570 so i think the needs to be you know i wanna say thank you and 174 00:11:02,570 --> 00:11:03,810 i wanna say well done 175 00:11:06,570 --> 00:11:10,870 the dedication the commandments of the people i work with on this projects is just 176 00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:16,190 been absolutely amazing we could have been in a much worse situation we have today 177 00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:20,890 it could have been you know we could things could have been really terrible 178 00:11:22,750 --> 00:11:26,400 the fact is the is the community and that hard work 179 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:31,550 the sports the pitch assurance value what we have really great product it's getting better 180 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:31,970 all the 181 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:33,320 and 182 00:11:34,070 --> 00:11:38,240 i'm just i'm just always totally blown away by how hard everyone well 183 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:42,000 people really going beyond the call that you to you know when i think about 184 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:42,790 people like 185 00:11:43,450 --> 00:11:50,370 the partially jasper giovanni who just like do like amazing things by every really slight 186 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:56,600 like the that holding is poured into the future and those people to be congratulated 187 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,140 and i think it's pretty down someone's to let those people know how much we 188 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:04,180 appreciate the work that doing so 189 00:12:04,890 --> 00:12:05,380 i 190 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,160 so if you see any of those people this conference by the be a i 191 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,360 think have been a lot promises to be a 192 00:12:18,770 --> 00:12:24,360 complete with lori and i think like is gonna be suffering it all the promises 193 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,470 like actually become true some of these parties we're gonna 194 00:12:28,770 --> 00:12:32,660 so you know well the keep going you know we're gonna be getting bathroom 195 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:38,740 and the i think the next thing we can be confident about the future is 196 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:40,860 the assembling them three will be done 197 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:45,780 i that's kind of i mean i don't mean don't in the sense of my 198 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:49,040 we can all like go on a popular holiday this is no more work to 199 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,670 be done but it is true to say the them three is a work in 200 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:55,510 progress and 201 00:12:56,830 --> 00:12:58,580 i think the last familiar with 202 00:12:59,940 --> 00:13:04,840 all the initiatives that would doing in our looks like it release we have a 203 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,140 round and you set of features like change some things and 204 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:14,030 and it's like it's like this kind of 205 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,210 six months sure 206 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:20,240 but in actual fact what we're doing is we're building something 207 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,190 and for those of us who are designing and three and trying to chop the 208 00:13:26,190 --> 00:13:27,460 calls or 209 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:33,230 is play the will making really good progress in terms of putting the individual building 210 00:13:33,230 --> 00:13:34,010 blocks together 211 00:13:35,930 --> 00:13:39,100 and a lot of those call building blocks and one place you know we've made 212 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:44,880 some really good programs i think the core user experience like the 213 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,290 the shell and settings that's been a focus for a while and that's been getting 214 00:13:50,290 --> 00:13:55,220 better and now we're looking at the other parts still need to be completed and 215 00:13:55,220 --> 00:13:57,340 that's mostly in the application space 216 00:13:57,930 --> 00:14:01,480 and i'll talk a little bit about our progress or 217 00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:02,590 but 218 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,110 and they the important point to make right now is that 219 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,300 a some point is will be done right someone will get to a stage where 220 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:21,180 know three has a is a very cohesive integrated experience what everything is a clear 221 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:21,940 place 222 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:28,780 well at their basic capabilities that will fill then well we have that sets of 223 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:31,510 consistent really nice applications 224 00:14:31,950 --> 00:14:34,600 and i think one we reach that mall 225 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,510 we will kind of appreciate according to shift 226 00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:40,830 and will provide 227 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:48,820 because when you use something that is integrated is a whole line it's come system 228 00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:53,370 it's coherent what it feels like a system has been designed as a whole it 229 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:54,590 will feel 230 00:14:56,250 --> 00:15:01,420 light just also basically like i think model turnaround at some point and think i 231 00:15:01,420 --> 00:15:03,040 was and this is what they were doing all 232 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,840 this is really cool and that's kind of the point working to know and i 233 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,030 don't think without power of i think it's something that we can hope to achieve 234 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:12,700 in the next 235 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:17,120 twelve to eighteen months and again we're making good progress so at some point will 236 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:23,430 get to this point well known three will i feel i have much more likely 237 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:28,740 come here now as a designer i find that to be really exciting prospect 238 00:15:29,820 --> 00:15:32,220 and i'm gonna talking about how we can get 239 00:15:35,230 --> 00:15:37,810 so with that making progress 240 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,650 experience is getting better 241 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,700 i think we have a lot to look forward to over the next twelve twenty 242 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:52,550 team at the logistic challenges this is tasks that need to be taken care of 243 00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:55,920 this obstacle so we need to have a come 244 00:15:56,940 --> 00:16:01,520 and the rest of the talk i'm gonna describe a little bit about what i 245 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,450 see is the next steps in terms of 246 00:16:04,420 --> 00:16:08,320 the design of them three and my hope is to try and 247 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:09,360 and of 248 00:16:10,630 --> 00:16:12,580 simply people about what they need to 249 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:20,150 so as i was alluding to a second are gonna i think the key challenge 250 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:24,720 for is right now is to round out the pick-off applications that 251 00:16:25,980 --> 00:16:28,550 you know that i have the still what to be done on setting was an 252 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:29,760 on the shell that's 253 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:35,240 actual people really need that's what we provide the 254 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,870 main functionality domain features the people use on a daily basis 255 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:43,930 so this is on this is the 256 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:47,830 the existing 257 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:54,640 core applications that i've kind of great out the applications that they're gonna exist by 258 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:00,760 exist i mean haven't been released as possible and i'm so there's some things in 259 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,250 here that 260 00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:06,820 carried exists you can run these applications but they're not something that we bundle up 261 00:17:06,820 --> 00:17:07,250 and 262 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,480 and people to in schools 263 00:17:10,540 --> 00:17:11,510 there 264 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:13,230 and 265 00:17:15,810 --> 00:17:20,830 so that's the situation right now with the right now kind of things missing and 266 00:17:20,830 --> 00:17:21,470 this is the 267 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:22,970 well 268 00:17:24,170 --> 00:17:25,300 i'd like to see anything 269 00:17:26,290 --> 00:17:28,000 and what you can see here is that 270 00:17:28,730 --> 00:17:30,010 maybe go back for 271 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,080 but 272 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,800 some existing applications have been great out here last because we're looking to do is 273 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,250 consolidate them all 274 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:47,450 it's a great that functionality an existing application 275 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:52,950 some third new applications here the lot hoping will come to light 276 00:17:53,890 --> 00:17:56,070 well i'll go through this another remote it's well 277 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,070 so this is michael a to do list for but complications that divide into three 278 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:04,150 missing got a number 279 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:09,520 so the missing applications up things we don't have in any shape or form 280 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,620 right now and again i'm what i'm talking about here is in the state whether 281 00:18:14,620 --> 00:18:15,540 can be released 282 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:19,750 and so the music photos of 283 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,960 helen that we don't need some of these are probably low priority ones was the 284 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,340 top of the list here i think pretty high priority maybe if you have someone 285 00:18:31,340 --> 00:18:32,870 else to get different kinds 286 00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:34,920 that's where 287 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:41,220 it should be said the word making fantastic progress on this i mean if we 288 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:45,850 talk about is having vision and direction mean this is a really good of illustration 289 00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:51,860 of how we are working community because there's a lot applications only about are actually 290 00:18:51,860 --> 00:18:58,740 being what's on the not that often release so music is happening photos so well 291 00:18:58,740 --> 00:19:03,980 no calendar all of those things exist right now are interactive develop 292 00:19:04,510 --> 00:19:06,570 so like that's why you applications 293 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:07,560 straight away 294 00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:09,440 like pretty amazing when you 295 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,960 so the second have to real applications i need to be working on a difficult 296 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:23,330 and the apps the time got and is this if you're this around i am 297 00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:24,220 and that kind of 298 00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:28,130 no that gathering dust them they look a bit like that 299 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,040 and i think one of the challenges froze 300 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,000 as the community used to make sure that these applications don't stay the button for 301 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,270 a 302 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,590 because 303 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,450 one of the important things about 304 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:47,990 providing a really high quality user experience is making sure that every aspect of that 305 00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:52,540 experience it is a party quality you know it doesn't reflect well on as if 306 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:56,980 someone is using we have to they like and they used some utility and it's 307 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:58,100 like what was 308 00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:59,430 so 309 00:20:00,270 --> 00:20:04,320 and particular some of the application on the bottom of the last 310 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:08,690 i've got right if your attention in recent years and i think that's because you 311 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:11,740 know that look utilities that people don't use a huge amount 312 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:14,570 but it's really it's was to make sure that we get them 313 00:20:16,350 --> 00:20:20,430 they should be set we have designs all this site funniest and most work on 314 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:21,100 any of this 315 00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:22,490 and then please 316 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:27,940 we will give you guidance will give you market and hugs and you 317 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:34,540 about that you application to the top of this precise apricots and sorry best 318 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,090 bastion is working video size happening so i don't be forgotten is in 319 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,420 you know that maintains and forgot that got some in terms of looking about action 320 00:20:47,650 --> 00:20:49,780 and then row which is possibly 321 00:20:52,940 --> 00:20:56,020 i could app about that is not meant to be disparaging comments 322 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,100 and so these are the applications which 323 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:01,370 i don't feel 324 00:21:02,210 --> 00:21:05,340 should be in the call applications as they are now 325 00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:10,800 and some of these are what we want to do solidly them so for example 326 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:16,420 the system on it and this case each analyse and that's gonna is similar enough 327 00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:21,140 to combine them into the single application we've got some rough designs for what we're 328 00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:22,020 calling usage 329 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:28,560 i'll be really nice just cutting down the number of the utilities that we have 330 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,080 is generally helpful i have things like file rollers something that we'd really like to 331 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,560 do integrate that direct splints and also so if you're not familiar with the twelve 332 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,170 dollars for a car 333 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:41,840 extract 334 00:21:42,540 --> 00:21:45,720 opening them and that kind of thing and i think we have to have a 335 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,280 decent student working on some of so eventually i'm gonna have a well we kind 336 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,680 of just 337 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,900 disappear 338 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:56,030 and you want i mean they can exist you know i can carry on existing 339 00:21:56,030 --> 00:22:00,010 we wanna use it but we wanna make to support for that's and the in 340 00:22:00,010 --> 00:22:02,380 the old so people don't need to 341 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:10,110 and likewise for events and i have no i definitely about features applications but 342 00:22:10,750 --> 00:22:13,420 i would really like to do is 343 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:21,160 integrate that functionality directly and finals that's what we do previewing viewing and 344 00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:29,480 out again mean few applications the people to do with more can conveniences integrated file 345 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,280 manager 346 00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:36,570 and i would hope we have the developers of those applications to maybe doing more 347 00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:38,010 interesting things there 348 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,590 so that's kind of that's kind of the one of the major to do it 349 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:45,090 mystified right now 350 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:49,840 they're definitely applications on here the a and developments and 351 00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:54,820 need a helping and i think like that some common there are a good example 352 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:59,080 that we also applications what we have designed and the looking a big old fashioned 353 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,410 that we want help and i think 354 00:23:02,410 --> 00:23:05,780 she's hard to map probably quite good that 355 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,870 and this will be you design so that's market suck you mock ups 356 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,230 this is what's 357 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:19,770 i'm happy looks like now kind of all fashion multiple windows that all kinds of 358 00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:27,940 issues with this we wanted to shift so much more than conversation based application we 359 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:28,950 have designed this 360 00:23:29,650 --> 00:23:31,980 and what would like a 361 00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:37,690 much more based around that contents rather than i'm sorry 362 00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:41,420 and single window application 363 00:23:41,790 --> 00:23:45,060 what you can easily view history and things like that which 364 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,750 you can't really do nowadays 365 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:49,380 the character on there 366 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:53,080 will or so many things here 367 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,910 kind of how to use the some of 368 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,100 very old fashioned 369 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:00,410 you 370 00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:02,580 shiny nice 371 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,460 application is really focused on what people are interested in which is different kinds accounts 372 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:08,950 as 373 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:10,020 right 374 00:24:10,890 --> 00:24:13,560 so if anyone wants to work and get in touch 375 00:24:15,070 --> 00:24:16,450 so applications 376 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,560 one of the things i think that is crucial to the future of them and 377 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,020 three 378 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,430 user experience to mix but word 379 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:31,470 and the next major to do list item is 380 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:32,470 toolkit 381 00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:37,860 and again this is another area where 382 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:43,090 we have been working in that i coordinated 383 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,110 manna driven manna towards the 384 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:47,970 specific goal which is 385 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:53,280 to produce right applications based on the model set of design patterns 386 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,890 making a easy for other people to produce the right up 387 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:01,430 it's a look at is really essential to that's 388 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:07,000 and this projects been going on for some time you know very early in the 389 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,730 ninth reece series we started 390 00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:17,940 prototyping and new applications and they been able as we've figure that works doesn't 391 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:22,230 and that is design patterns of in fact and so 392 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:23,920 it's a new widgets 393 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,450 new user interface element 394 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,270 and a lot of those 395 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:33,390 have started to appear now i mean we're making great progress already in G T 396 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:35,310 K we have me which it's like the 397 00:25:36,750 --> 00:25:38,360 but listbox we'll 398 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,760 so you know those things are which making much easier to create say 399 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:48,580 a more than a room application 400 00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:52,700 so what one of the challenges pros of the next year 401 00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:55,750 and hopefully even seen that is to 402 00:25:56,350 --> 00:26:00,300 all those new which is that we need for the new applications in C G 403 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:00,900 T K 404 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,470 and that is kind of slide 405 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,430 it's like topless 406 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,030 and again you know we're making good progress had a boss exist hoping to get 407 00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:12,330 those 408 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:19,350 grits we talk about replacement after the icon view there is a 409 00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:22,520 a prototype which i already that exists for that 410 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,330 to have some pop over is a look more speculative 411 00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:30,540 there was to top items of the really important 412 00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:36,700 and this what is really important not just to enable us to create applications but 413 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:41,230 also to enable us to build an effective developer experience 414 00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:45,890 we can document help to build an arm application 415 00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:49,770 into we have which is the unnecessary be able to build 416 00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:55,020 we calculate tools to create as applications 417 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:56,910 if the which is don't exist 418 00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:01,600 you know we wanna have things like template applications and 419 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,560 tools to generates those templates 420 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:15,400 what we have 421 00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:21,100 we have the list on the we can 422 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,880 that is that is 423 00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:25,530 i've been building that in the past couple of weeks 424 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:33,560 so this is this is really important both for the user experience and the developer 425 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,330 experience 426 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,120 and the same we can do this the sooner we can start documents act so 427 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:43,790 i am working on a new version of the egg once we have these widgets 428 00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:47,990 time we can we can start i'm always up we can put the online we 429 00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:52,280 can show people have to make their own applications and i think know again deal 430 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,790 people so we think at this point are right so this is what i've been 431 00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:59,920 doing having just but in kind of messing around and playing with new kinds of 432 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,740 applications the no one else do 433 00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:03,390 and that's really important 434 00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:12,080 so again markets very quickly because that's is the that had a bus you can 435 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,760 see them already and 436 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:19,990 some shape or form and some them application right now it's essentially 437 00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:24,210 a combined toolbar and window type 438 00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:26,730 and 439 00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:30,360 has all kinds of properties which make kids 440 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,830 appropriate promote an application so one of the on most obvious ones is that it 441 00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:41,490 cuts down on the height of the application 442 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:47,060 to traditionally read toolbar and menu bar and then window title 443 00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:49,800 lots and lots of pro so we have less crime 444 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,630 it's also just lines be much more dynamic so no and some the you often 445 00:28:54,630 --> 00:29:01,610 see in more than applications is different views and paging and switching between different perspective 446 00:29:01,610 --> 00:29:07,430 some continents and that had a bar is designed to allow this so we will 447 00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:09,270 updates depending on what you're looking at 448 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:12,560 you can see this in the new designs 449 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,870 try documents try musical for it service and you get a clear clever idea 450 00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:22,160 how had to pass fits into the picture 451 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:28,850 and that wraps our new type widget we've been working on the design point of 452 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:29,860 view yes 453 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:33,050 and one of my tasks to this quite back is to 454 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,550 sit down where john and can open whoever else comes to join as and 455 00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:42,570 how shall the final details of the design i think about eighty percent that 456 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,410 yes will be really contest 457 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,830 something really 458 00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:57,480 so two major to do items applications 459 00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:59,290 so cats 460 00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:04,510 and the final one is a biggie and it's not something i'm really qualified to 461 00:30:04,510 --> 00:30:09,120 talk about so anyway a few know in any technical detail 462 00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:16,880 as since this project again we've always struggled with 463 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,580 application definition just 464 00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:24,150 is one a it's been a actually heels right again 465 00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:27,250 it is so on or two 466 00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:31,810 developed an application phone i'm gonna help to use 467 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:33,710 and 468 00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:40,690 throughout history of we have some of this all uses of stuff that application developers 469 00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:41,550 have suffered 470 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,680 and i think now is the time for is to take on that challenge 471 00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:48,440 and 472 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:55,030 come up with the proper the framework for developing and distributing applications 473 00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:56,960 and 474 00:30:57,260 --> 00:31:00,110 this is something we've been talking about a lot 475 00:31:00,850 --> 00:31:07,050 we had really long ball about the last year we talked about more the application 476 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:07,920 developer 477 00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:12,790 application developer X variance access in brussels 478 00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:18,720 and is something that is being worked on and let it will be talking about 479 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,390 his work 480 00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:22,220 on the sound boxing side of it 481 00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:24,620 we have a lots of 482 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:30,060 since we talked about this last year we solidified a lot and we have a 483 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:32,600 fairly clear roadmap what needs to happen 484 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,530 to get as well we need to be 485 00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:38,840 i'm gonna be having above on it or what 486 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,690 and 487 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:47,800 this is just so important for feature we have to make it so the there 488 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,720 is relevant to application developers 489 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:55,250 and that means providing them with it's a staple labia api be 490 00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:56,800 and 491 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,430 there is a user experience aspect to this as well because 492 00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:09,050 you know i don't think it's acceptable first deciding to uses the application that you're 493 00:32:09,050 --> 00:32:11,510 using has little life spend six months 494 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:15,250 i mean that's just crazy and that's what we've been doing for the entire history 495 00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:16,100 of this project 496 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:20,960 so we have to so this upright users in terms of giving them and stability 497 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,990 in the applications to the using 498 00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:31,480 the i thing is that we really need to take on and challenges around privacy 499 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:38,170 and security with because what applications right now a security story is this kind of 500 00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:39,220 nonexistent 501 00:32:39,770 --> 00:32:44,460 and the some boxing stuff but manages working on is he that and i you 502 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:49,250 know i really feel the privacy and security are an important part user experience 503 00:32:49,690 --> 00:32:55,070 and given that web position and as free software solution then we ought to be 504 00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:56,320 doing a better job of that 505 00:32:57,570 --> 00:33:02,440 and this also has implications but user experience in terms of performance and stability and 506 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,680 things like that 507 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,440 once you some box applications you can decide how much of your system's resources to 508 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,660 get you can make sure the focus applications can always run quickly and smoothly and 509 00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:20,670 snappy and everything else this isn't something we can be right now so 510 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:24,500 if we can get all of these things in place it i think it will 511 00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:27,200 genuinely transform 512 00:33:28,010 --> 00:33:29,980 but the user experience on the development 513 00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:34,630 so there's a lot there's a lot of what needs to be done here there's 514 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:39,640 a lot of groundwork and we're talking to people who actually send these things the 515 00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:43,610 there's a lot of kind of basic things that we need to do to get 516 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:44,610 us of orange shape 517 00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:48,300 well i think mobile gonna have to do 518 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,060 during the ball is come up with 519 00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:57,450 road map for the things they are outstanding and if you're maintainer of any know 520 00:33:57,450 --> 00:34:02,370 them want you is probably something we you can do it helps a chip in 521 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:04,530 getting will this is the future 522 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:06,000 i really believe 523 00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:08,840 so 524 00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:10,690 that's kind of 525 00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:15,290 i think there's a lot of things we got for to would be making really 526 00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:16,190 good progress 527 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:23,060 no three compared to a year ago or eighteen months ago is just somewhat better 528 00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:29,630 and if you project cell phones the future i don't see any reason why we 529 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:31,740 can't continue on that trajectory 530 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:37,110 with the cat we have that we need to make sure a countries as remain 531 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:38,770 committed unmotivated 532 00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:41,580 something that everyone can help with by 533 00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:44,640 encouraging them congratulate or 534 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:46,930 and 535 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:52,190 speaking as a designer i think this is kind of a kind of a critical 536 00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:53,190 point because 537 00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:57,200 we've been working on i'm three for a while now we have these can along 538 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,350 running projects 539 00:34:58,850 --> 00:35:02,140 and quite a few of them starting to come to freshen in one shape or 540 00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:08,510 form that we have these you know applications we have these new widgets we have 541 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:13,070 an application some boxing they want some right now by all of these things the 542 00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:16,690 light you might simple were impossible eighteen months to two years ago 543 00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:19,350 and the challenge for is now is to 544 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,390 bring as long as the projects to fortune and 545 00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:30,410 really turn i'm three into the experience i think we've all hopes that it would 546 00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:34,660 be a and i think could be like that and to get into we 547 00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:37,670 to get so 548 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:40,170 that's pretty much it 549 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,660 i wrote the whole conference we have off some older these topics the i've talked 550 00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:48,970 about so totally talk to be of the developers 551 00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:53,280 if there's any way the you can make some of the things that i talked 552 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,010 about how 553 00:35:54,830 --> 00:35:57,010 then that would just be amazing and 554 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,570 i look forward to the conversation the rest of the conference 555 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:02,870 thanks 556 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:13,290 do we have time for questions 557 00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:16,570 that's great about technical stuff 558 00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:21,000 any questions 559 00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:36,510 with the new tab design you feel that's getting to a point where it's ready 560 00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:39,200 to start being implemented or do you is it still kind of in a really 561 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,270 staged i know like that at design pages there's still like a lot of options 562 00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:48,060 round well all i mean i think all the key by there is no decided 563 00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:51,320 upon and one sticking point is 564 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:57,160 the visuals so what you'll seen in the markets is different visual treatments of the 565 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,930 terms but in terms of actually how we want work up in the pretty much 566 00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:02,040 decided and 567 00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:06,040 in one of the things i need to do question this document 568 00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:11,190 been talking about this for a while but it's hard design problems 569 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:15,540 and tracking a feels about i think you'll be really 570 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,950 i think it's really important because the currents helps this but there are some issues 571 00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:22,660 and they really helped with 572 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,060 i don't and 573 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:35,140 couple questions the 574 00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:37,180 how you feel about 575 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:42,670 i in what's the difference between i can even be new grid being in one 576 00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:47,310 should i use it instead of the egg you i'm sorry please in documented everywhere 577 00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:50,830 all over the place this kind of the first time i actually hear about it 578 00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:55,870 so the main thing about so it is that we wanted to be response 579 00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:59,470 so and right now with any 580 00:37:59,930 --> 00:38:05,070 i company gets you got and even spacing you don't get all this allocated space 581 00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:10,070 used the icons always the same size of the thumbnails always the same size 582 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:15,340 and when you compare that's where you see in the where you know so you 583 00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:19,660 basically want to sales to be not all the same size all this 584 00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:22,490 the same size to be the same across the columns 585 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,110 this sounds might be different sizes but the key point is that they should resize 586 00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:32,870 vividly so if you have a small and you should get an appropriate number of 587 00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:39,130 columns and at an appropriate cell size if you that expand the window you'll get 588 00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:44,350 more columns but maybe that sells will adjust in size to fill the space 589 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:48,260 so i'll be a kind of more can do it response 590 00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:54,750 i mean i mean one really good example of this is part where you really 591 00:38:54,750 --> 00:39:00,790 want your own nails to be as big as possible and fill enticed by and 592 00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:05,040 right now you cat kind of a big margin of one side because it's not 593 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,310 by using all space and you can pick spaces between the if you make the 594 00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:11,700 window resize 595 00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:14,550 you just re floaters rather than 596 00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:17,160 optimising for that particular time and 597 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:24,620 it's if you're familiar with the list box 598 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,740 kind of designed to be great com that somebody so another issue with the current 599 00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:35,880 i come here is very hot which is slide so in some of the designs 600 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:42,300 we have things like but i also icons which is a lot of the you 601 00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:45,000 know we have the same clocks is basically impossible to do i 602 00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:50,370 well one of the biggest concerns that most applications developers have with the i can 603 00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:54,500 you in that we do is the kind of car incompleted to use so i'm 604 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,790 hoping in some way that it's not gonna be any harder than it is the 605 00:39:57,790 --> 00:40:03,270 you check and you models and at the same time i'm actually concerned about the 606 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:09,310 formants that because i can do indicate three has a pretty terrible performance if you 607 00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:12,630 try to wrap in the ad six hundred items in it is gonna be a 608 00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:17,810 disaster so just keep that in the back of your mind folks miss an opportunity 609 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:20,160 to the all we would 610 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,930 company is currently working on this 611 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,260 so the go a 612 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,360 G T K and sow is to get rid all sat around us like 613 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:39,010 not tomorrow but 614 00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:44,760 everything liked review and i can view it something that was a good idea five 615 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,620 years ago 616 00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:47,010 at 617 00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:52,100 we find the limitations of it now and listbox is the first step of the 618 00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,270 direction of replacing 619 00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:56,770 finding ways that we can do all the want to do 620 00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:01,740 and finding replacement all the i can use the second set of course this is 621 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:05,760 all performance relevant so it's going to take time and we need to figure out 622 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,370 right at eyes so you don't run into the same problems 623 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:15,430 you it it's because writing widgets that contain lots of stuff 624 00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:17,930 but 625 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:22,970 we can just carry weights our enter is you real widgets and i we going 626 00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:23,480 to make it 627 00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:26,280 but we don't want 628 00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:27,800 that's 629 00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:31,990 so counselling has hell i 630 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,270 as opposed fixed to every told what i 631 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:38,450 you 632 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,360 anyone else 633 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,040 not that i guess i so 634 00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:54,450 right has 635 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:57,810 and you 636 00:42:00,550 --> 00:42:06,900 i was just wondering but your folks about today so it's morning ski notes and 637 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:14,060 so what them up and what he said the about the community and 638 00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:16,280 our go for works 639 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,430 the know important what are your thoughts 640 00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:21,050 i think i just 641 00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:21,850 so that 642 00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:29,360 are you know i mean look at the development progresses i am i mean it 643 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,090 releases 644 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:32,900 by pretty amazing i mean comparatively 645 00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:36,510 some of the nancy releases and we're doing so much more use 646 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,010 i have things are getting better all the time is the results of that 647 00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:44,020 i think 648 00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:48,340 we've got reason to be optimistic on that basis but you know obviously there are 649 00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:49,360 challenges and 650 00:42:49,780 --> 00:42:50,210 i think 651 00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:56,640 but i think you know as a community were facing up to those we've got 652 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,490 lands we've 653 00:42:58,130 --> 00:43:00,540 called kind of long term 654 00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:07,430 and it's a going on than making good progress time to address 655 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,060 some of the issues that we currently facts 656 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:13,600 and i think that the challenge first just to get behind them and 657 00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:16,950 like keep moving at the speed that we 658 00:43:18,590 --> 00:43:22,680 firstly of a you know make a know yes but 659 00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:28,040 friendly and welcoming atmosphere but apparently some people 660 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,300 from outside will you don't really well i mean that's all problem domain 661 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,080 you know it's all to industry about this he's been trying to do without since 662 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,250 the no one day so it's nothing you that 663 00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:44,690 i mean i maybe i should go to marketing to look 664 00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:46,270 that's that 665 00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:51,280 but i mean we have work to do that i can i mean the marketing 666 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,480 team is more active now than it has been in years and we're doing a 667 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,460 lot of things it's glottic low 668 00:43:57,830 --> 00:44:03,460 i think help now we got some great volunteers in the room well locking we're 669 00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:05,810 gonna be doing interviews are gonna be 670 00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:10,840 how you doing some videos and stuff so that we can show the world that 671 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,640 we're actually not like demonic actually real nice friendly people 672 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:20,480 well 673 00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:39,490 hi what's the way deprecation story in is it see parade or distinct from the 674 00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:42,920 implication distribution story like a single instance with it's if you wanna have crime as 675 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,820 a gym our system and since we met for example 676 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,970 so 677 00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:52,260 we would make some progress that i mean you have web apps 678 00:44:52,570 --> 00:44:56,260 and i think one thing that we've been talking about it would like to do 679 00:44:56,260 --> 00:45:01,380 is integrate web apps and whatever software distribution 680 00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:07,270 framework that we come up with i've been talking to richard about this is what 681 00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:11,790 software and that we really wanna have web apps and alongside right so 682 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,450 you know you can 683 00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:17,620 you can search that with a and you will get that with the web and 684 00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:23,170 a lot of the technology to do not exist already it's actually not to do 685 00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:23,360 you 686 00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:26,900 i think that's you know that's really valuable 687 00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:29,440 i think if you really powerful for us 688 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:33,700 i use about that is that right 689 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,160 and you know i mean that's thanks all the work we have you guys are 690 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:41,860 doing and 691 00:45:42,830 --> 00:45:47,960 that just than some amazing stuff we have like to now and 692 00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:52,770 you can you can sets of single instance web that's right so 693 00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:01,300 address 694 00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:03,660 your 695 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:16,250 i was and is that here is about the details that a at dream of 696 00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:24,540 the application separate the thing we share so i was i was a bit curious 697 00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:32,770 about like the you had the list of the applications which are more they're very 698 00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:33,410 like 699 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,110 local centre but a local file system right instead of like than you guys that 700 00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:41,950 have like your local place system and also like the files 701 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:43,310 in the cloud 702 00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:48,490 and so i would always curious like if you could give any details on your 703 00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:50,000 thoughts about like how 704 00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:56,060 how to local like pdfs would work for example because you can then mention briefly 705 00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:58,910 like having it embedded in files 706 00:46:59,750 --> 00:47:03,180 is it like very sketchy right now that would like to get are already have 707 00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:03,820 we have 708 00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:08,490 most of those things are relates to but we do have designed for this so 709 00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:12,880 should be said that one of the katie goals would be the you close an 710 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,270 application just to make sure that everything is 711 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:22,620 on the web enabled all integrate all money one this is one of very key 712 00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:29,160 things that do see you application given us and you already see and document so 713 00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:31,540 documents you can do you 714 00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:36,750 documents on your laptop but they will also learn google dot so talks in the 715 00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,370 any other online account you have 716 00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:45,750 we're aiming to do that with music with our turns with videos 717 00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:49,320 and that's a really importance 718 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:54,860 go for those of these you applications will enable us to do that we hopefully 719 00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:59,250 items will be released and three tylenol have like a simple so you can access 720 00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:03,810 all you like about others like that you feel like that's all right to that 721 00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:05,330 which is like pretty also right 722 00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:13,230 but the question about previewing in finals i think is 723 00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:22,850 just mention it's i rescuers but i mean we already having have previewing to sushi 724 00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:29,830 right i have we wanna make that kind of preparing much better integrated and much 725 00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:35,500 more part of the typical work flow of using files you know if you wanna 726 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:39,250 deal with finals you wanna be elton spectrum you wanna know what each file is 727 00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:44,080 and so that requires can looking inside well right and 728 00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:46,870 so we still want to be 729 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,530 improving that experience making the local solution as good as it can be and that's 730 00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:55,800 will files is will but then the idea is that we have these other applications 731 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,130 that go beyond the local of integrates 732 00:48:58,530 --> 00:49:01,030 stuff that's up in the clouds that's also 733 00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:07,650 on your machines are and this is another wine which we're trying to make the 734 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:11,370 applications consistent some right now for example documents 735 00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:16,270 you can view all your code you can see like we'll content like agreed to 736 00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:17,680 list but you can also actually 737 00:49:18,340 --> 00:49:19,700 read each documents 738 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,180 so we're looking to have something similar inside will tell us 739 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,520 we can talk about 740 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:29,930 can i ask another one 741 00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:33,370 is there that i think i mean 742 00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:41,540 i think i don't think i'm gonna be asking the question everyone wants to know 743 00:49:41,540 --> 00:49:43,150 is very design come about 744 00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:44,910 i a 745 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:48,700 well its kind 746 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:55,130 the same is the switch conspiracy right there is a i designed you know swedish 747 00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:57,170 conspiracy i mean cost not 748 00:49:59,350 --> 00:50:01,600 i mean is a funny thing the people talk about this 749 00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:02,940 because 750 00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:07,300 that it's not how i work it's not how we think about ourselves 751 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,810 me and john and share mac and a kind of identified as the designers but 752 00:50:14,810 --> 00:50:18,200 we do lots of other things other than design and most of the 753 00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:22,950 people who aren't identified as designers are designed as well like 754 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:29,480 like "'cause" i'm a and you have on a and all these you and everything 755 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,550 that we dare is available online and 756 00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:37,390 free for everyone so look at you know you just look at out of get 757 00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:41,100 proposed rates was being checked and it's not hard to see what we're up to 758 00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,980 like there are no secrets 759 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,710 i think i mean 760 00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:51,710 we don't seem to communicate what we're doing in terms reservations returns be here each 761 00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:53,780 individual step that's next of but 762 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,500 i mean anyone can participate i mean we've got a bunch of 763 00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:04,840 people here i think i wanna cable design 764 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,800 there are gonna be spending some time with during the conference 765 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,910 we have design friends and some of the projects i was hit amount about 766 00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:18,760 we'll be talking to him variance are like 767 00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:19,910 i mean 768 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:25,430 so it's really is pretty are we all twenty one week everyone's but both 769 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:31,460 it's easy to say that way if you don't really 770 00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:36,620 have a good sense of what's going on is like one of these easy generalisations 771 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,110 thank you 772 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,960 alright we don't 773 00:51:46,460 --> 00:51:46,790 okay