i everyone it's are going to be here i love black and it's so also
to see everyone here i've already like that bunch of people i've only have a
spoken swan i'll see
always
really awesome right
great to see a print anything you come a long way guys where great happy
this talk is basically meant to be a bit of a kind of a review
when i see is in terms of
developing the number three user experience so i must to gonna be talking about design
so could historical you know
i could've comedic different directions i could've talked about marketing
but it's designed is what i do
if i assume that most people you know who i am but if you don't
i'm a member of the circle design team so i
i spend my days
trying to figure out how to make non backed so
and i'm involved in
pretty much every aspect of
but now i'm from the channel settings applications all that stuff so i feel like
i'm involved in a nothing was to
have a pretty good sense of what's going on one example next
and the their inspiration for this talk i suppose is
i read online over the past six months or so we people being a bit
unsure about whether going what's coming up what's gonna be next and
personally speaking
i think it's pretty clear where we're going and
i think we've got well for to this or something's going on so i wanted
to talk about that to give people your an idea of what they can expect
feature
it should be set that's
what i'm gonna say here's another thing you
if you will
closely involved in the most of the stuff
we'll be already familiar to you i'm gonna try and bring it together in a
piece of ice so this talk is probably gonna be most interesting to those people
maybe on involved in right
the call what we very
one clarification before starts i'm talking about the future i'm not kind of looking for
five or ten years not looking for you know nothing about that you know
and some kind of post P C future nothing like that the future i'm interested
in is the immediate
so the next twelve to waiting not it's
i think that's tangible it's something that we can touch it's something that we can
talk about during this plot that we can think about whether we want to be
what we meet next year and strauss but
and i think that's
a more useful way to look at the future
"'cause" it's very easy to get can a call to bring some kind idle speculation
about what the future might hold so
what i really wanted to talk about is what kind of future we making and
what's we doing right now that will affect
so
and they talk about the future i suppose
have to start with an idea euro of
why do we wanna be what do we well where we you mean what do
we wanna feature to be like
and i don't want to on this for too long
but it's
i think it's important to say that i think know has
a really strong guiding vision
i think
when you talk to the members of this community
it's
it's quite inspiring to hear what motivates them
and if anything we are really motivated you know everyone work so hard and i
think that's because they believe in what we're doing
and i think the thing that motivates me and speaking to them and members of
the gnome project what seems to motivate other people is the idea of freedom
nothing that's really essentials what we do it
and what i talk about freedom here i don't just mean
producing for use of so i don't mean
releasing how that happens to be G P L
conforms to the free software definition in some shape before i think to know freedom
is more than that
it's about being independence
so you know
we all we don't have
we're not alone by particular company we have a independent foundation i think these are
really important both to how we work and what we're trying to achieve that is
to great software that anyone can participate equally everyone has the equal
opportunity to participate
and
i think well i experienced personally and i suspect to a lot of people in
the remote experienced is be amazing potential that has for creating opportunities both opportunities for
individuals and full companies and organization
and what we're aiming to do we not amused to extend that was opportunities to
as many people as possible we wanna put free software in people's hands on that
machine i don't touch it use it
and i think there are very few
free software projects that are trying to do that in the way that no means
we work across the staff we work with other organisations to make this
hands
so one with thinking about the future i think the measure that we use for
ourselves is
all we are advancing the cause are we bringing free software to more P
only making free software more relevance
and so when i go through what we're trying to achieve i think that's what
we're trying to do
no project was founded
of the fifteen years ago
and
our project came about because we thought that "'cause" there's a feeling within free software
that it was a risk
that they needed to be awfully free what they call back than a desktop part
and
i don't think that mission is changed in fact i think it's even more important
now than ever before
so
you know when we when we look around and see which gonna open source projects
the kind of you know it's
things that look right i mean we have things like android which is obviously a
so i don't think like one for free
so really the challenge was
right now is the same as it was when a project first began and i
think there's a real kind of
designed to make the world a better place
and
that's a desire the i think we have to fill with the actions we take
as if you
so
all needed a well is as important as have a
i think we have the really
helpful opportunity to do something important in terms of bringing freedom small people
so that's you know i think we did the important message there is that
you know we can become but even about the feature we can make the world
name can be a problem
so that's kind of what we wanna be
so the can
so the question then becomes well are we moving in that direction and i think
to a lot extent we are and we've made some amazing progress
and there's a lot of the future to become be confidence about
you know there's a lot of really cool stuff going on this project
and we
established a really good track record for us
and the key requirements i think for is to
make sure that nine three continues to be relevance continues to be interesting we want
more people to want to use no more organization to participate in the know project
and we won't warp you want to distribute know
and i think we're doing quite a good job of that
so one thing we can be concerned about for the future is that
no three will be even better than it is now
so it's around the nine three series
it releases been
a real step
like you know i write the release not and every really side by about is
this big long list you
and that's really exciting and
i think the
the user experience to work providing is been getting back to back
something that i see personally when i'm using it but i think the quality of
the feedback we've been getting about producing getting back to
we can be i think we can be reasonably confident that trend will continue in
the future so if we're thinking about why will be twelve or eighteen months down
the line then one thing that we can say with a reasonable amount of confidence
is the
we can have a better
products that we have now
which is pretty also "'cause" i think it's already pretty good if it's gonna be
getting better with each release that you know there's more reason to be optimistic that
i think more people are gonna wanna
used and three as a result of the work that we do it
i think it should be really i think it should be emphasised that
those improvements
and possibilities the we have the future of come about through the hard worker alarm
projects
all the computers work
you know we could have very easily been in the situation when names techniques that
you
that hasn't happened if anything
the development rights is increased
and that's been logically the dedication and hard work
of the people in this project
so i think the needs to be you know i wanna say thank you and
i wanna say well done
the dedication the commandments of the people i work with on this projects is just
been absolutely amazing we could have been in a much worse situation we have today
it could have been you know we could things could have been really terrible
the fact is the is the community and that hard work
the sports the pitch assurance value what we have really great product it's getting better
all the
and
i'm just i'm just always totally blown away by how hard everyone well
people really going beyond the call that you to you know when i think about
people like
the partially jasper giovanni who just like do like amazing things by every really slight
like the that holding is poured into the future and those people to be congratulated
and i think it's pretty down someone's to let those people know how much we
appreciate the work that doing so
i
so if you see any of those people this conference by the be a i
think have been a lot promises to be a
complete with lori and i think like is gonna be suffering it all the promises
like actually become true some of these parties we're gonna
so you know well the keep going you know we're gonna be getting bathroom
and the i think the next thing we can be confident about the future is
the assembling them three will be done
i that's kind of i mean i don't mean don't in the sense of my
we can all like go on a popular holiday this is no more work to
be done but it is true to say the them three is a work in
progress and
i think the last familiar with
all the initiatives that would doing in our looks like it release we have a
round and you set of features like change some things and
and it's like it's like this kind of
six months sure
but in actual fact what we're doing is we're building something
and for those of us who are designing and three and trying to chop the
calls or
is play the will making really good progress in terms of putting the individual building
blocks together
and a lot of those call building blocks and one place you know we've made
some really good programs i think the core user experience like the
the shell and settings that's been a focus for a while and that's been getting
better and now we're looking at the other parts still need to be completed and
that's mostly in the application space
and i'll talk a little bit about our progress or
but
and they the important point to make right now is that
a some point is will be done right someone will get to a stage where
know three has a is a very cohesive integrated experience what everything is a clear
place
well at their basic capabilities that will fill then well we have that sets of
consistent really nice applications
and i think one we reach that mall
we will kind of appreciate according to shift
and will provide
because when you use something that is integrated is a whole line it's come system
it's coherent what it feels like a system has been designed as a whole it
will feel
light just also basically like i think model turnaround at some point and think i
was and this is what they were doing all
this is really cool and that's kind of the point working to know and i
don't think without power of i think it's something that we can hope to achieve
in the next
twelve to eighteen months and again we're making good progress so at some point will
get to this point well known three will i feel i have much more likely
come here now as a designer i find that to be really exciting prospect
and i'm gonna talking about how we can get
so with that making progress
experience is getting better
i think we have a lot to look forward to over the next twelve twenty
team at the logistic challenges this is tasks that need to be taken care of
this obstacle so we need to have a come
and the rest of the talk i'm gonna describe a little bit about what i
see is the next steps in terms of
the design of them three and my hope is to try and
and of
simply people about what they need to
so as i was alluding to a second are gonna i think the key challenge
for is right now is to round out the pick-off applications that
you know that i have the still what to be done on setting was an
on the shell that's
actual people really need that's what we provide the
main functionality domain features the people use on a daily basis
so this is on this is the
the existing
core applications that i've kind of great out the applications that they're gonna exist by
exist i mean haven't been released as possible and i'm so there's some things in
here that
carried exists you can run these applications but they're not something that we bundle up
and
and people to in schools
there
and
so that's the situation right now with the right now kind of things missing and
this is the
well
i'd like to see anything
and what you can see here is that
maybe go back for
but
some existing applications have been great out here last because we're looking to do is
consolidate them all
it's a great that functionality an existing application
some third new applications here the lot hoping will come to light
well i'll go through this another remote it's well
so this is michael a to do list for but complications that divide into three
missing got a number
so the missing applications up things we don't have in any shape or form
right now and again i'm what i'm talking about here is in the state whether
can be released
and so the music photos of
helen that we don't need some of these are probably low priority ones was the
top of the list here i think pretty high priority maybe if you have someone
else to get different kinds
that's where
it should be said the word making fantastic progress on this i mean if we
talk about is having vision and direction mean this is a really good of illustration
of how we are working community because there's a lot applications only about are actually
being what's on the not that often release so music is happening photos so well
no calendar all of those things exist right now are interactive develop
so like that's why you applications
straight away
like pretty amazing when you
so the second have to real applications i need to be working on a difficult
and the apps the time got and is this if you're this around i am
and that kind of
no that gathering dust them they look a bit like that
and i think one of the challenges froze
as the community used to make sure that these applications don't stay the button for
a
because
one of the important things about
providing a really high quality user experience is making sure that every aspect of that
experience it is a party quality you know it doesn't reflect well on as if
someone is using we have to they like and they used some utility and it's
like what was
so
and particular some of the application on the bottom of the last
i've got right if your attention in recent years and i think that's because you
know that look utilities that people don't use a huge amount
but it's really it's was to make sure that we get them
they should be set we have designs all this site funniest and most work on
any of this
and then please
we will give you guidance will give you market and hugs and you
about that you application to the top of this precise apricots and sorry best
bastion is working video size happening so i don't be forgotten is in
you know that maintains and forgot that got some in terms of looking about action
and then row which is possibly
i could app about that is not meant to be disparaging comments
and so these are the applications which
i don't feel
should be in the call applications as they are now
and some of these are what we want to do solidly them so for example
the system on it and this case each analyse and that's gonna is similar enough
to combine them into the single application we've got some rough designs for what we're
calling usage
i'll be really nice just cutting down the number of the utilities that we have
is generally helpful i have things like file rollers something that we'd really like to
do integrate that direct splints and also so if you're not familiar with the twelve
dollars for a car
extract
opening them and that kind of thing and i think we have to have a
decent student working on some of so eventually i'm gonna have a well we kind
of just
disappear
and you want i mean they can exist you know i can carry on existing
we wanna use it but we wanna make to support for that's and the in
the old so people don't need to
and likewise for events and i have no i definitely about features applications but
i would really like to do is
integrate that functionality directly and finals that's what we do previewing viewing and
out again mean few applications the people to do with more can conveniences integrated file
manager
and i would hope we have the developers of those applications to maybe doing more
interesting things there
so that's kind of that's kind of the one of the major to do it
mystified right now
they're definitely applications on here the a and developments and
need a helping and i think like that some common there are a good example
that we also applications what we have designed and the looking a big old fashioned
that we want help and i think
she's hard to map probably quite good that
and this will be you design so that's market suck you mock ups
this is what's
i'm happy looks like now kind of all fashion multiple windows that all kinds of
issues with this we wanted to shift so much more than conversation based application we
have designed this
and what would like a
much more based around that contents rather than i'm sorry
and single window application
what you can easily view history and things like that which
you can't really do nowadays
the character on there
will or so many things here
kind of how to use the some of
very old fashioned
you
shiny nice
application is really focused on what people are interested in which is different kinds accounts
as
right
so if anyone wants to work and get in touch
so applications
one of the things i think that is crucial to the future of them and
three
user experience to mix but word
and the next major to do list item is
toolkit
and again this is another area where
we have been working in that i coordinated
manna driven manna towards the
specific goal which is
to produce right applications based on the model set of design patterns
making a easy for other people to produce the right up
it's a look at is really essential to that's
and this projects been going on for some time you know very early in the
ninth reece series we started
prototyping and new applications and they been able as we've figure that works doesn't
and that is design patterns of in fact and so
it's a new widgets
new user interface element
and a lot of those
have started to appear now i mean we're making great progress already in G T
K we have me which it's like the
but listbox we'll
so you know those things are which making much easier to create say
a more than a room application
so what one of the challenges pros of the next year
and hopefully even seen that is to
all those new which is that we need for the new applications in C G
T K
and that is kind of slide
it's like topless
and again you know we're making good progress had a boss exist hoping to get
those
grits we talk about replacement after the icon view there is a
a prototype which i already that exists for that
to have some pop over is a look more speculative
there was to top items of the really important
and this what is really important not just to enable us to create applications but
also to enable us to build an effective developer experience
we can document help to build an arm application
into we have which is the unnecessary be able to build
we calculate tools to create as applications
if the which is don't exist
you know we wanna have things like template applications and
tools to generates those templates
what we have
we have the list on the we can
that is that is
i've been building that in the past couple of weeks
so this is this is really important both for the user experience and the developer
experience
and the same we can do this the sooner we can start documents act so
i am working on a new version of the egg once we have these widgets
time we can we can start i'm always up we can put the online we
can show people have to make their own applications and i think know again deal
people so we think at this point are right so this is what i've been
doing having just but in kind of messing around and playing with new kinds of
applications the no one else do
and that's really important
so again markets very quickly because that's is the that had a bus you can
see them already and
some shape or form and some them application right now it's essentially
a combined toolbar and window type
and
has all kinds of properties which make kids
appropriate promote an application so one of the on most obvious ones is that it
cuts down on the height of the application
to traditionally read toolbar and menu bar and then window title
lots and lots of pro so we have less crime
it's also just lines be much more dynamic so no and some the you often
see in more than applications is different views and paging and switching between different perspective
some continents and that had a bar is designed to allow this so we will
updates depending on what you're looking at
you can see this in the new designs
try documents try musical for it service and you get a clear clever idea
how had to pass fits into the picture
and that wraps our new type widget we've been working on the design point of
view yes
and one of my tasks to this quite back is to
sit down where john and can open whoever else comes to join as and
how shall the final details of the design i think about eighty percent that
yes will be really contest
something really
so two major to do items applications
so cats
and the final one is a biggie and it's not something i'm really qualified to
talk about so anyway a few know in any technical detail
as since this project again we've always struggled with
application definition just
is one a it's been a actually heels right again
it is so on or two
developed an application phone i'm gonna help to use
and
throughout history of we have some of this all uses of stuff that application developers
have suffered
and i think now is the time for is to take on that challenge
and
come up with the proper the framework for developing and distributing applications
and
this is something we've been talking about a lot
we had really long ball about the last year we talked about more the application
developer
application developer X variance access in brussels
and is something that is being worked on and let it will be talking about
his work
on the sound boxing side of it
we have a lots of
since we talked about this last year we solidified a lot and we have a
fairly clear roadmap what needs to happen
to get as well we need to be
i'm gonna be having above on it or what
and
this is just so important for feature we have to make it so the there
is relevant to application developers
and that means providing them with it's a staple labia api be
and
there is a user experience aspect to this as well because
you know i don't think it's acceptable first deciding to uses the application that you're
using has little life spend six months
i mean that's just crazy and that's what we've been doing for the entire history
of this project
so we have to so this upright users in terms of giving them and stability
in the applications to the using
the i thing is that we really need to take on and challenges around privacy
and security with because what applications right now a security story is this kind of
nonexistent
and the some boxing stuff but manages working on is he that and i you
know i really feel the privacy and security are an important part user experience
and given that web position and as free software solution then we ought to be
doing a better job of that
and this also has implications but user experience in terms of performance and stability and
things like that
once you some box applications you can decide how much of your system's resources to
get you can make sure the focus applications can always run quickly and smoothly and
snappy and everything else this isn't something we can be right now so
if we can get all of these things in place it i think it will
genuinely transform
but the user experience on the development
so there's a lot there's a lot of what needs to be done here there's
a lot of groundwork and we're talking to people who actually send these things the
there's a lot of kind of basic things that we need to do to get
us of orange shape
well i think mobile gonna have to do
during the ball is come up with
road map for the things they are outstanding and if you're maintainer of any know
them want you is probably something we you can do it helps a chip in
getting will this is the future
i really believe
so
that's kind of
i think there's a lot of things we got for to would be making really
good progress
no three compared to a year ago or eighteen months ago is just somewhat better
and if you project cell phones the future i don't see any reason why we
can't continue on that trajectory
with the cat we have that we need to make sure a countries as remain
committed unmotivated
something that everyone can help with by
encouraging them congratulate or
and
speaking as a designer i think this is kind of a kind of a critical
point because
we've been working on i'm three for a while now we have these can along
running projects
and quite a few of them starting to come to freshen in one shape or
form that we have these you know applications we have these new widgets we have
an application some boxing they want some right now by all of these things the
light you might simple were impossible eighteen months to two years ago
and the challenge for is now is to
bring as long as the projects to fortune and
really turn i'm three into the experience i think we've all hopes that it would
be a and i think could be like that and to get into we
to get so
that's pretty much it
i wrote the whole conference we have off some older these topics the i've talked
about so totally talk to be of the developers
if there's any way the you can make some of the things that i talked
about how
then that would just be amazing and
i look forward to the conversation the rest of the conference
thanks
do we have time for questions
that's great about technical stuff
any questions
with the new tab design you feel that's getting to a point where it's ready
to start being implemented or do you is it still kind of in a really
staged i know like that at design pages there's still like a lot of options
round well all i mean i think all the key by there is no decided
upon and one sticking point is
the visuals so what you'll seen in the markets is different visual treatments of the
terms but in terms of actually how we want work up in the pretty much
decided and
in one of the things i need to do question this document
been talking about this for a while but it's hard design problems
and tracking a feels about i think you'll be really
i think it's really important because the currents helps this but there are some issues
and they really helped with
i don't and
couple questions the
how you feel about
i in what's the difference between i can even be new grid being in one
should i use it instead of the egg you i'm sorry please in documented everywhere
all over the place this kind of the first time i actually hear about it
so the main thing about so it is that we wanted to be response
so and right now with any
i company gets you got and even spacing you don't get all this allocated space
used the icons always the same size of the thumbnails always the same size
and when you compare that's where you see in the where you know so you
basically want to sales to be not all the same size all this
the same size to be the same across the columns
this sounds might be different sizes but the key point is that they should resize
vividly so if you have a small and you should get an appropriate number of
columns and at an appropriate cell size if you that expand the window you'll get
more columns but maybe that sells will adjust in size to fill the space
so i'll be a kind of more can do it response
i mean i mean one really good example of this is part where you really
want your own nails to be as big as possible and fill enticed by and
right now you cat kind of a big margin of one side because it's not
by using all space and you can pick spaces between the if you make the
window resize
you just re floaters rather than
optimising for that particular time and
it's if you're familiar with the list box
kind of designed to be great com that somebody so another issue with the current
i come here is very hot which is slide so in some of the designs
we have things like but i also icons which is a lot of the you
know we have the same clocks is basically impossible to do i
well one of the biggest concerns that most applications developers have with the i can
you in that we do is the kind of car incompleted to use so i'm
hoping in some way that it's not gonna be any harder than it is the
you check and you models and at the same time i'm actually concerned about the
formants that because i can do indicate three has a pretty terrible performance if you
try to wrap in the ad six hundred items in it is gonna be a
disaster so just keep that in the back of your mind folks miss an opportunity
to the all we would
company is currently working on this
so the go a
G T K and sow is to get rid all sat around us like
not tomorrow but
everything liked review and i can view it something that was a good idea five
years ago
at
we find the limitations of it now and listbox is the first step of the
direction of replacing
finding ways that we can do all the want to do
and finding replacement all the i can use the second set of course this is
all performance relevant so it's going to take time and we need to figure out
right at eyes so you don't run into the same problems
you it it's because writing widgets that contain lots of stuff
but
we can just carry weights our enter is you real widgets and i we going
to make it
but we don't want
that's
so counselling has hell i
as opposed fixed to every told what i
you
anyone else
not that i guess i so
right has
and you
i was just wondering but your folks about today so it's morning ski notes and
so what them up and what he said the about the community and
our go for works
the know important what are your thoughts
i think i just
so that
are you know i mean look at the development progresses i am i mean it
releases
by pretty amazing i mean comparatively
some of the nancy releases and we're doing so much more use
i have things are getting better all the time is the results of that
i think
we've got reason to be optimistic on that basis but you know obviously there are
challenges and
i think
but i think you know as a community were facing up to those we've got
lands we've
called kind of long term
and it's a going on than making good progress time to address
some of the issues that we currently facts
and i think that the challenge first just to get behind them and
like keep moving at the speed that we
firstly of a you know make a know yes but
friendly and welcoming atmosphere but apparently some people
from outside will you don't really well i mean that's all problem domain
you know it's all to industry about this he's been trying to do without since
the no one day so it's nothing you that
i mean i maybe i should go to marketing to look
that's that
but i mean we have work to do that i can i mean the marketing
team is more active now than it has been in years and we're doing a
lot of things it's glottic low
i think help now we got some great volunteers in the room well locking we're
gonna be doing interviews are gonna be
how you doing some videos and stuff so that we can show the world that
we're actually not like demonic actually real nice friendly people
well
hi what's the way deprecation story in is it see parade or distinct from the
implication distribution story like a single instance with it's if you wanna have crime as
a gym our system and since we met for example
so
we would make some progress that i mean you have web apps
and i think one thing that we've been talking about it would like to do
is integrate web apps and whatever software distribution
framework that we come up with i've been talking to richard about this is what
software and that we really wanna have web apps and alongside right so
you know you can
you can search that with a and you will get that with the web and
a lot of the technology to do not exist already it's actually not to do
you
i think that's you know that's really valuable
i think if you really powerful for us
i use about that is that right
and you know i mean that's thanks all the work we have you guys are
doing and
that just than some amazing stuff we have like to now and
you can you can sets of single instance web that's right so
address
your
i was and is that here is about the details that a at dream of
the application separate the thing we share so i was i was a bit curious
about like the you had the list of the applications which are more they're very
like
local centre but a local file system right instead of like than you guys that
have like your local place system and also like the files
in the cloud
and so i would always curious like if you could give any details on your
thoughts about like how
how to local like pdfs would work for example because you can then mention briefly
like having it embedded in files
is it like very sketchy right now that would like to get are already have
we have
most of those things are relates to but we do have designed for this so
should be said that one of the katie goals would be the you close an
application just to make sure that everything is
on the web enabled all integrate all money one this is one of very key
things that do see you application given us and you already see and document so
documents you can do you
documents on your laptop but they will also learn google dot so talks in the
any other online account you have
we're aiming to do that with music with our turns with videos
and that's a really importance
go for those of these you applications will enable us to do that we hopefully
items will be released and three tylenol have like a simple so you can access
all you like about others like that you feel like that's all right to that
which is like pretty also right
but the question about previewing in finals i think is
just mention it's i rescuers but i mean we already having have previewing to sushi
right i have we wanna make that kind of preparing much better integrated and much
more part of the typical work flow of using files you know if you wanna
deal with finals you wanna be elton spectrum you wanna know what each file is
and so that requires can looking inside well right and
so we still want to be
improving that experience making the local solution as good as it can be and that's
will files is will but then the idea is that we have these other applications
that go beyond the local of integrates
stuff that's up in the clouds that's also
on your machines are and this is another wine which we're trying to make the
applications consistent some right now for example documents
you can view all your code you can see like we'll content like agreed to
list but you can also actually
read each documents
so we're looking to have something similar inside will tell us
we can talk about
can i ask another one
is there that i think i mean
i think i don't think i'm gonna be asking the question everyone wants to know
is very design come about
i a
well its kind
the same is the switch conspiracy right there is a i designed you know swedish
conspiracy i mean cost not
i mean is a funny thing the people talk about this
because
that it's not how i work it's not how we think about ourselves
me and john and share mac and a kind of identified as the designers but
we do lots of other things other than design and most of the
people who aren't identified as designers are designed as well like
like "'cause" i'm a and you have on a and all these you and everything
that we dare is available online and
free for everyone so look at you know you just look at out of get
proposed rates was being checked and it's not hard to see what we're up to
like there are no secrets
i think i mean
we don't seem to communicate what we're doing in terms reservations returns be here each
individual step that's next of but
i mean anyone can participate i mean we've got a bunch of
people here i think i wanna cable design
there are gonna be spending some time with during the conference
we have design friends and some of the projects i was hit amount about
we'll be talking to him variance are like
i mean
so it's really is pretty are we all twenty one week everyone's but both
it's easy to say that way if you don't really
have a good sense of what's going on is like one of these easy generalisations
thank you
alright we don't
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