i everyone it's are going to be here i love black and it's so also to see everyone here i've already like that bunch of people i've only have a spoken swan i'll see always really awesome right great to see a print anything you come a long way guys where great happy this talk is basically meant to be a bit of a kind of a review when i see is in terms of developing the number three user experience so i must to gonna be talking about design so could historical you know i could've comedic different directions i could've talked about marketing but it's designed is what i do if i assume that most people you know who i am but if you don't i'm a member of the circle design team so i i spend my days trying to figure out how to make non backed so and i'm involved in pretty much every aspect of but now i'm from the channel settings applications all that stuff so i feel like i'm involved in a nothing was to have a pretty good sense of what's going on one example next and the their inspiration for this talk i suppose is i read online over the past six months or so we people being a bit unsure about whether going what's coming up what's gonna be next and personally speaking i think it's pretty clear where we're going and i think we've got well for to this or something's going on so i wanted to talk about that to give people your an idea of what they can expect feature it should be set that's what i'm gonna say here's another thing you if you will closely involved in the most of the stuff we'll be already familiar to you i'm gonna try and bring it together in a piece of ice so this talk is probably gonna be most interesting to those people maybe on involved in right the call what we very one clarification before starts i'm talking about the future i'm not kind of looking for five or ten years not looking for you know nothing about that you know and some kind of post P C future nothing like that the future i'm interested in is the immediate so the next twelve to waiting not it's i think that's tangible it's something that we can touch it's something that we can talk about during this plot that we can think about whether we want to be what we meet next year and strauss but and i think that's a more useful way to look at the future "'cause" it's very easy to get can a call to bring some kind idle speculation about what the future might hold so what i really wanted to talk about is what kind of future we making and what's we doing right now that will affect so and they talk about the future i suppose have to start with an idea euro of why do we wanna be what do we well where we you mean what do we wanna feature to be like and i don't want to on this for too long but it's i think it's important to say that i think know has a really strong guiding vision i think when you talk to the members of this community it's it's quite inspiring to hear what motivates them and if anything we are really motivated you know everyone work so hard and i think that's because they believe in what we're doing and i think the thing that motivates me and speaking to them and members of the gnome project what seems to motivate other people is the idea of freedom nothing that's really essentials what we do it and what i talk about freedom here i don't just mean producing for use of so i don't mean releasing how that happens to be G P L conforms to the free software definition in some shape before i think to know freedom is more than that it's about being independence so you know we all we don't have we're not alone by particular company we have a independent foundation i think these are really important both to how we work and what we're trying to achieve that is to great software that anyone can participate equally everyone has the equal opportunity to participate and i think well i experienced personally and i suspect to a lot of people in the remote experienced is be amazing potential that has for creating opportunities both opportunities for individuals and full companies and organization and what we're aiming to do we not amused to extend that was opportunities to as many people as possible we wanna put free software in people's hands on that machine i don't touch it use it and i think there are very few free software projects that are trying to do that in the way that no means we work across the staff we work with other organisations to make this hands so one with thinking about the future i think the measure that we use for ourselves is all we are advancing the cause are we bringing free software to more P only making free software more relevance and so when i go through what we're trying to achieve i think that's what we're trying to do no project was founded of the fifteen years ago and our project came about because we thought that "'cause" there's a feeling within free software that it was a risk that they needed to be awfully free what they call back than a desktop part and i don't think that mission is changed in fact i think it's even more important now than ever before so you know when we when we look around and see which gonna open source projects the kind of you know it's things that look right i mean we have things like android which is obviously a so i don't think like one for free so really the challenge was right now is the same as it was when a project first began and i think there's a real kind of designed to make the world a better place and that's a desire the i think we have to fill with the actions we take as if you so all needed a well is as important as have a i think we have the really helpful opportunity to do something important in terms of bringing freedom small people so that's you know i think we did the important message there is that you know we can become but even about the feature we can make the world name can be a problem so that's kind of what we wanna be so the can so the question then becomes well are we moving in that direction and i think to a lot extent we are and we've made some amazing progress and there's a lot of the future to become be confidence about you know there's a lot of really cool stuff going on this project and we established a really good track record for us and the key requirements i think for is to make sure that nine three continues to be relevance continues to be interesting we want more people to want to use no more organization to participate in the know project and we won't warp you want to distribute know and i think we're doing quite a good job of that so one thing we can be concerned about for the future is that no three will be even better than it is now so it's around the nine three series it releases been a real step like you know i write the release not and every really side by about is this big long list you and that's really exciting and i think the the user experience to work providing is been getting back to back something that i see personally when i'm using it but i think the quality of the feedback we've been getting about producing getting back to we can be i think we can be reasonably confident that trend will continue in the future so if we're thinking about why will be twelve or eighteen months down the line then one thing that we can say with a reasonable amount of confidence is the we can have a better products that we have now which is pretty also "'cause" i think it's already pretty good if it's gonna be getting better with each release that you know there's more reason to be optimistic that i think more people are gonna wanna used and three as a result of the work that we do it i think it should be really i think it should be emphasised that those improvements and possibilities the we have the future of come about through the hard worker alarm projects all the computers work you know we could have very easily been in the situation when names techniques that you that hasn't happened if anything the development rights is increased and that's been logically the dedication and hard work of the people in this project so i think the needs to be you know i wanna say thank you and i wanna say well done the dedication the commandments of the people i work with on this projects is just been absolutely amazing we could have been in a much worse situation we have today it could have been you know we could things could have been really terrible the fact is the is the community and that hard work the sports the pitch assurance value what we have really great product it's getting better all the and i'm just i'm just always totally blown away by how hard everyone well people really going beyond the call that you to you know when i think about people like the partially jasper giovanni who just like do like amazing things by every really slight like the that holding is poured into the future and those people to be congratulated and i think it's pretty down someone's to let those people know how much we appreciate the work that doing so i so if you see any of those people this conference by the be a i think have been a lot promises to be a complete with lori and i think like is gonna be suffering it all the promises like actually become true some of these parties we're gonna so you know well the keep going you know we're gonna be getting bathroom and the i think the next thing we can be confident about the future is the assembling them three will be done i that's kind of i mean i don't mean don't in the sense of my we can all like go on a popular holiday this is no more work to be done but it is true to say the them three is a work in progress and i think the last familiar with all the initiatives that would doing in our looks like it release we have a round and you set of features like change some things and and it's like it's like this kind of six months sure but in actual fact what we're doing is we're building something and for those of us who are designing and three and trying to chop the calls or is play the will making really good progress in terms of putting the individual building blocks together and a lot of those call building blocks and one place you know we've made some really good programs i think the core user experience like the the shell and settings that's been a focus for a while and that's been getting better and now we're looking at the other parts still need to be completed and that's mostly in the application space and i'll talk a little bit about our progress or but and they the important point to make right now is that a some point is will be done right someone will get to a stage where know three has a is a very cohesive integrated experience what everything is a clear place well at their basic capabilities that will fill then well we have that sets of consistent really nice applications and i think one we reach that mall we will kind of appreciate according to shift and will provide because when you use something that is integrated is a whole line it's come system it's coherent what it feels like a system has been designed as a whole it will feel light just also basically like i think model turnaround at some point and think i was and this is what they were doing all this is really cool and that's kind of the point working to know and i don't think without power of i think it's something that we can hope to achieve in the next twelve to eighteen months and again we're making good progress so at some point will get to this point well known three will i feel i have much more likely come here now as a designer i find that to be really exciting prospect and i'm gonna talking about how we can get so with that making progress experience is getting better i think we have a lot to look forward to over the next twelve twenty team at the logistic challenges this is tasks that need to be taken care of this obstacle so we need to have a come and the rest of the talk i'm gonna describe a little bit about what i see is the next steps in terms of the design of them three and my hope is to try and and of simply people about what they need to so as i was alluding to a second are gonna i think the key challenge for is right now is to round out the pick-off applications that you know that i have the still what to be done on setting was an on the shell that's actual people really need that's what we provide the main functionality domain features the people use on a daily basis so this is on this is the the existing core applications that i've kind of great out the applications that they're gonna exist by exist i mean haven't been released as possible and i'm so there's some things in here that carried exists you can run these applications but they're not something that we bundle up and and people to in schools there and so that's the situation right now with the right now kind of things missing and this is the well i'd like to see anything and what you can see here is that maybe go back for but some existing applications have been great out here last because we're looking to do is consolidate them all it's a great that functionality an existing application some third new applications here the lot hoping will come to light well i'll go through this another remote it's well so this is michael a to do list for but complications that divide into three missing got a number so the missing applications up things we don't have in any shape or form right now and again i'm what i'm talking about here is in the state whether can be released and so the music photos of helen that we don't need some of these are probably low priority ones was the top of the list here i think pretty high priority maybe if you have someone else to get different kinds that's where it should be said the word making fantastic progress on this i mean if we talk about is having vision and direction mean this is a really good of illustration of how we are working community because there's a lot applications only about are actually being what's on the not that often release so music is happening photos so well no calendar all of those things exist right now are interactive develop so like that's why you applications straight away like pretty amazing when you so the second have to real applications i need to be working on a difficult and the apps the time got and is this if you're this around i am and that kind of no that gathering dust them they look a bit like that and i think one of the challenges froze as the community used to make sure that these applications don't stay the button for a because one of the important things about providing a really high quality user experience is making sure that every aspect of that experience it is a party quality you know it doesn't reflect well on as if someone is using we have to they like and they used some utility and it's like what was so and particular some of the application on the bottom of the last i've got right if your attention in recent years and i think that's because you know that look utilities that people don't use a huge amount but it's really it's was to make sure that we get them they should be set we have designs all this site funniest and most work on any of this and then please we will give you guidance will give you market and hugs and you about that you application to the top of this precise apricots and sorry best bastion is working video size happening so i don't be forgotten is in you know that maintains and forgot that got some in terms of looking about action and then row which is possibly i could app about that is not meant to be disparaging comments and so these are the applications which i don't feel should be in the call applications as they are now and some of these are what we want to do solidly them so for example the system on it and this case each analyse and that's gonna is similar enough to combine them into the single application we've got some rough designs for what we're calling usage i'll be really nice just cutting down the number of the utilities that we have is generally helpful i have things like file rollers something that we'd really like to do integrate that direct splints and also so if you're not familiar with the twelve dollars for a car extract opening them and that kind of thing and i think we have to have a decent student working on some of so eventually i'm gonna have a well we kind of just disappear and you want i mean they can exist you know i can carry on existing we wanna use it but we wanna make to support for that's and the in the old so people don't need to and likewise for events and i have no i definitely about features applications but i would really like to do is integrate that functionality directly and finals that's what we do previewing viewing and out again mean few applications the people to do with more can conveniences integrated file manager and i would hope we have the developers of those applications to maybe doing more interesting things there so that's kind of that's kind of the one of the major to do it mystified right now they're definitely applications on here the a and developments and need a helping and i think like that some common there are a good example that we also applications what we have designed and the looking a big old fashioned that we want help and i think she's hard to map probably quite good that and this will be you design so that's market suck you mock ups this is what's i'm happy looks like now kind of all fashion multiple windows that all kinds of issues with this we wanted to shift so much more than conversation based application we have designed this and what would like a much more based around that contents rather than i'm sorry and single window application what you can easily view history and things like that which you can't really do nowadays the character on there will or so many things here kind of how to use the some of very old fashioned you shiny nice application is really focused on what people are interested in which is different kinds accounts as right so if anyone wants to work and get in touch so applications one of the things i think that is crucial to the future of them and three user experience to mix but word and the next major to do list item is toolkit and again this is another area where we have been working in that i coordinated manna driven manna towards the specific goal which is to produce right applications based on the model set of design patterns making a easy for other people to produce the right up it's a look at is really essential to that's and this projects been going on for some time you know very early in the ninth reece series we started prototyping and new applications and they been able as we've figure that works doesn't and that is design patterns of in fact and so it's a new widgets new user interface element and a lot of those have started to appear now i mean we're making great progress already in G T K we have me which it's like the but listbox we'll so you know those things are which making much easier to create say a more than a room application so what one of the challenges pros of the next year and hopefully even seen that is to all those new which is that we need for the new applications in C G T K and that is kind of slide it's like topless and again you know we're making good progress had a boss exist hoping to get those grits we talk about replacement after the icon view there is a a prototype which i already that exists for that to have some pop over is a look more speculative there was to top items of the really important and this what is really important not just to enable us to create applications but also to enable us to build an effective developer experience we can document help to build an arm application into we have which is the unnecessary be able to build we calculate tools to create as applications if the which is don't exist you know we wanna have things like template applications and tools to generates those templates what we have we have the list on the we can that is that is i've been building that in the past couple of weeks so this is this is really important both for the user experience and the developer experience and the same we can do this the sooner we can start documents act so i am working on a new version of the egg once we have these widgets time we can we can start i'm always up we can put the online we can show people have to make their own applications and i think know again deal people so we think at this point are right so this is what i've been doing having just but in kind of messing around and playing with new kinds of applications the no one else do and that's really important so again markets very quickly because that's is the that had a bus you can see them already and some shape or form and some them application right now it's essentially a combined toolbar and window type and has all kinds of properties which make kids appropriate promote an application so one of the on most obvious ones is that it cuts down on the height of the application to traditionally read toolbar and menu bar and then window title lots and lots of pro so we have less crime it's also just lines be much more dynamic so no and some the you often see in more than applications is different views and paging and switching between different perspective some continents and that had a bar is designed to allow this so we will updates depending on what you're looking at you can see this in the new designs try documents try musical for it service and you get a clear clever idea how had to pass fits into the picture and that wraps our new type widget we've been working on the design point of view yes and one of my tasks to this quite back is to sit down where john and can open whoever else comes to join as and how shall the final details of the design i think about eighty percent that yes will be really contest something really so two major to do items applications so cats and the final one is a biggie and it's not something i'm really qualified to talk about so anyway a few know in any technical detail as since this project again we've always struggled with application definition just is one a it's been a actually heels right again it is so on or two developed an application phone i'm gonna help to use and throughout history of we have some of this all uses of stuff that application developers have suffered and i think now is the time for is to take on that challenge and come up with the proper the framework for developing and distributing applications and this is something we've been talking about a lot we had really long ball about the last year we talked about more the application developer application developer X variance access in brussels and is something that is being worked on and let it will be talking about his work on the sound boxing side of it we have a lots of since we talked about this last year we solidified a lot and we have a fairly clear roadmap what needs to happen to get as well we need to be i'm gonna be having above on it or what and this is just so important for feature we have to make it so the there is relevant to application developers and that means providing them with it's a staple labia api be and there is a user experience aspect to this as well because you know i don't think it's acceptable first deciding to uses the application that you're using has little life spend six months i mean that's just crazy and that's what we've been doing for the entire history of this project so we have to so this upright users in terms of giving them and stability in the applications to the using the i thing is that we really need to take on and challenges around privacy and security with because what applications right now a security story is this kind of nonexistent and the some boxing stuff but manages working on is he that and i you know i really feel the privacy and security are an important part user experience and given that web position and as free software solution then we ought to be doing a better job of that and this also has implications but user experience in terms of performance and stability and things like that once you some box applications you can decide how much of your system's resources to get you can make sure the focus applications can always run quickly and smoothly and snappy and everything else this isn't something we can be right now so if we can get all of these things in place it i think it will genuinely transform but the user experience on the development so there's a lot there's a lot of what needs to be done here there's a lot of groundwork and we're talking to people who actually send these things the there's a lot of kind of basic things that we need to do to get us of orange shape well i think mobile gonna have to do during the ball is come up with road map for the things they are outstanding and if you're maintainer of any know them want you is probably something we you can do it helps a chip in getting will this is the future i really believe so that's kind of i think there's a lot of things we got for to would be making really good progress no three compared to a year ago or eighteen months ago is just somewhat better and if you project cell phones the future i don't see any reason why we can't continue on that trajectory with the cat we have that we need to make sure a countries as remain committed unmotivated something that everyone can help with by encouraging them congratulate or and speaking as a designer i think this is kind of a kind of a critical point because we've been working on i'm three for a while now we have these can along running projects and quite a few of them starting to come to freshen in one shape or form that we have these you know applications we have these new widgets we have an application some boxing they want some right now by all of these things the light you might simple were impossible eighteen months to two years ago and the challenge for is now is to bring as long as the projects to fortune and really turn i'm three into the experience i think we've all hopes that it would be a and i think could be like that and to get into we to get so that's pretty much it i wrote the whole conference we have off some older these topics the i've talked about so totally talk to be of the developers if there's any way the you can make some of the things that i talked about how then that would just be amazing and i look forward to the conversation the rest of the conference thanks do we have time for questions that's great about technical stuff any questions with the new tab design you feel that's getting to a point where it's ready to start being implemented or do you is it still kind of in a really staged i know like that at design pages there's still like a lot of options round well all i mean i think all the key by there is no decided upon and one sticking point is the visuals so what you'll seen in the markets is different visual treatments of the terms but in terms of actually how we want work up in the pretty much decided and in one of the things i need to do question this document been talking about this for a while but it's hard design problems and tracking a feels about i think you'll be really i think it's really important because the currents helps this but there are some issues and they really helped with i don't and couple questions the how you feel about i in what's the difference between i can even be new grid being in one should i use it instead of the egg you i'm sorry please in documented everywhere all over the place this kind of the first time i actually hear about it so the main thing about so it is that we wanted to be response so and right now with any i company gets you got and even spacing you don't get all this allocated space used the icons always the same size of the thumbnails always the same size and when you compare that's where you see in the where you know so you basically want to sales to be not all the same size all this the same size to be the same across the columns this sounds might be different sizes but the key point is that they should resize vividly so if you have a small and you should get an appropriate number of columns and at an appropriate cell size if you that expand the window you'll get more columns but maybe that sells will adjust in size to fill the space so i'll be a kind of more can do it response i mean i mean one really good example of this is part where you really want your own nails to be as big as possible and fill enticed by and right now you cat kind of a big margin of one side because it's not by using all space and you can pick spaces between the if you make the window resize you just re floaters rather than optimising for that particular time and it's if you're familiar with the list box kind of designed to be great com that somebody so another issue with the current i come here is very hot which is slide so in some of the designs we have things like but i also icons which is a lot of the you know we have the same clocks is basically impossible to do i well one of the biggest concerns that most applications developers have with the i can you in that we do is the kind of car incompleted to use so i'm hoping in some way that it's not gonna be any harder than it is the you check and you models and at the same time i'm actually concerned about the formants that because i can do indicate three has a pretty terrible performance if you try to wrap in the ad six hundred items in it is gonna be a disaster so just keep that in the back of your mind folks miss an opportunity to the all we would company is currently working on this so the go a G T K and sow is to get rid all sat around us like not tomorrow but everything liked review and i can view it something that was a good idea five years ago at we find the limitations of it now and listbox is the first step of the direction of replacing finding ways that we can do all the want to do and finding replacement all the i can use the second set of course this is all performance relevant so it's going to take time and we need to figure out right at eyes so you don't run into the same problems you it it's because writing widgets that contain lots of stuff but we can just carry weights our enter is you real widgets and i we going to make it but we don't want that's so counselling has hell i as opposed fixed to every told what i you anyone else not that i guess i so right has and you i was just wondering but your folks about today so it's morning ski notes and so what them up and what he said the about the community and our go for works the know important what are your thoughts i think i just so that are you know i mean look at the development progresses i am i mean it releases by pretty amazing i mean comparatively some of the nancy releases and we're doing so much more use i have things are getting better all the time is the results of that i think we've got reason to be optimistic on that basis but you know obviously there are challenges and i think but i think you know as a community were facing up to those we've got lands we've called kind of long term and it's a going on than making good progress time to address some of the issues that we currently facts and i think that the challenge first just to get behind them and like keep moving at the speed that we firstly of a you know make a know yes but friendly and welcoming atmosphere but apparently some people from outside will you don't really well i mean that's all problem domain you know it's all to industry about this he's been trying to do without since the no one day so it's nothing you that i mean i maybe i should go to marketing to look that's that but i mean we have work to do that i can i mean the marketing team is more active now than it has been in years and we're doing a lot of things it's glottic low i think help now we got some great volunteers in the room well locking we're gonna be doing interviews are gonna be how you doing some videos and stuff so that we can show the world that we're actually not like demonic actually real nice friendly people well hi what's the way deprecation story in is it see parade or distinct from the implication distribution story like a single instance with it's if you wanna have crime as a gym our system and since we met for example so we would make some progress that i mean you have web apps and i think one thing that we've been talking about it would like to do is integrate web apps and whatever software distribution framework that we come up with i've been talking to richard about this is what software and that we really wanna have web apps and alongside right so you know you can you can search that with a and you will get that with the web and a lot of the technology to do not exist already it's actually not to do you i think that's you know that's really valuable i think if you really powerful for us i use about that is that right and you know i mean that's thanks all the work we have you guys are doing and that just than some amazing stuff we have like to now and you can you can sets of single instance web that's right so address your i was and is that here is about the details that a at dream of the application separate the thing we share so i was i was a bit curious about like the you had the list of the applications which are more they're very like local centre but a local file system right instead of like than you guys that have like your local place system and also like the files in the cloud and so i would always curious like if you could give any details on your thoughts about like how how to local like pdfs would work for example because you can then mention briefly like having it embedded in files is it like very sketchy right now that would like to get are already have we have most of those things are relates to but we do have designed for this so should be said that one of the katie goals would be the you close an application just to make sure that everything is on the web enabled all integrate all money one this is one of very key things that do see you application given us and you already see and document so documents you can do you documents on your laptop but they will also learn google dot so talks in the any other online account you have we're aiming to do that with music with our turns with videos and that's a really importance go for those of these you applications will enable us to do that we hopefully items will be released and three tylenol have like a simple so you can access all you like about others like that you feel like that's all right to that which is like pretty also right but the question about previewing in finals i think is just mention it's i rescuers but i mean we already having have previewing to sushi right i have we wanna make that kind of preparing much better integrated and much more part of the typical work flow of using files you know if you wanna deal with finals you wanna be elton spectrum you wanna know what each file is and so that requires can looking inside well right and so we still want to be improving that experience making the local solution as good as it can be and that's will files is will but then the idea is that we have these other applications that go beyond the local of integrates stuff that's up in the clouds that's also on your machines are and this is another wine which we're trying to make the applications consistent some right now for example documents you can view all your code you can see like we'll content like agreed to list but you can also actually read each documents so we're looking to have something similar inside will tell us we can talk about can i ask another one is there that i think i mean i think i don't think i'm gonna be asking the question everyone wants to know is very design come about i a well its kind the same is the switch conspiracy right there is a i designed you know swedish conspiracy i mean cost not i mean is a funny thing the people talk about this because that it's not how i work it's not how we think about ourselves me and john and share mac and a kind of identified as the designers but we do lots of other things other than design and most of the people who aren't identified as designers are designed as well like like "'cause" i'm a and you have on a and all these you and everything that we dare is available online and free for everyone so look at you know you just look at out of get proposed rates was being checked and it's not hard to see what we're up to like there are no secrets i think i mean we don't seem to communicate what we're doing in terms reservations returns be here each individual step that's next of but i mean anyone can participate i mean we've got a bunch of people here i think i wanna cable design there are gonna be spending some time with during the conference we have design friends and some of the projects i was hit amount about we'll be talking to him variance are like i mean so it's really is pretty are we all twenty one week everyone's but both it's easy to say that way if you don't really have a good sense of what's going on is like one of these easy generalisations thank you alright we don't okay